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Papa Voodoo 11-30-2016 12:28 PM

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Get open and Drew shall drop the ball in your bread basket.

Beastmode 11-30-2016 12:34 PM

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Fantasy Football players with him on their rosters I know were fuming. I have Thomas and Snead so I was laughing the whole game.

niteadept 11-30-2016 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 728744)
That's a very good point, when Thomas or Snead score they congratulate the other, I haven't seen Cooks celebrate or even acknowledge another receiver this year.



Are we going to have a Jimmy Graham situation where Brees has to target him 50 times a game and end up throwing back breaking interceptions just to get stats?



As i said, if this is true its very disappointing and Cooks needs to grow up.



I miss Colston and his demeanor already.



I miss Colston every game... No drama and a great attitude and a great team player...

blackangold 11-30-2016 02:00 PM

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Cooks is a good speed guy, but sucks in the open field.

Cooks isn't going to get the extra yards and make a few miss after the catch, that's why I love MT. MT will break tackles and look for more yards, same with Snead.

MT>Cooks.
Cooks could be good trade bait if the right deal came along.

AsylumGuido 11-30-2016 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 728826)
Cooks is a good speed guy, but sucks in the open field.

Cooks isn't going to get the extra yards and make a few miss after the catch, that's why I love MT. MT will break tackles and look for more yards, same with Snead.

MT>Cooks.
Cooks could be good trade bait if the right deal came along.

I think it is amusing how often the subject of trading players comes up here in the forum. Regular season trades are extremely rare in the NFL with usually no more than about six or seven in a full season and almost all of those are simply for draft picks. Player for player trades are far more scarce.

jnormand 11-30-2016 03:16 PM

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I don't want to see him traded. He is probably a big reason why Thomas is doing so well. Now if he starts being a locker room cancer or something, that's one thing.

IMO, IF, and that's IF he is actually pissed off about not getting any targets then he needs to be given time to see the light. If it was just a miscue on the media's part or him making a mistake and saying something on social media he shouldn't have, there's no way I'd trade him.

Rugby Saint II 11-30-2016 03:18 PM

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Cooks did a fine job of keeping the number one corner and a safety busy. Payton said the first play was designed to go to him. That tells me they wanted Cooks double teamed the entire game. Let him run a slant next week Payton and send him deep a lot.

We kicked Williams arse. we can involve Cooks and not just be looking for big plays and high scores from the rest 0f the team not drawing double coverage..

burningmetal 11-30-2016 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 728833)
I think it is amusing how often the subject of trading players comes up here in the forum. Regular season trades are extremely rare in the NFL with usually no more than about six or seven in a full season and almost all of those are simply for draft picks. Player for player trades are far more scarce.

I am not looking to trade Cooks, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about a mid-season trade, because the deadline has already passed. If we could trade Graham for Unger and a 1st rounder, then I wouldn't laugh at the notion that trading Cooks is at least a possibility, if I were you.

I don't see it happening, but stranger things have clearly been done.

AsylumGuido 11-30-2016 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 728838)
I am not looking to trade Cooks, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about a mid-season trade, because the deadline has already passed. If we could trade Graham for Unger and a 1st rounder, then I wouldn't laugh at the notion that trading Cooks is at least a possibility, if I were you.

I don't see it happening, but stranger things have clearly been done.

As long as Cooks is still on that rookie contract it would take a miracle for him to be traded. Right?

st thomas 11-30-2016 08:52 PM

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just work harder to get open, its on the way brandon.hang in there don't be a diva bro, dont do it

jeanpierre 11-30-2016 09:07 PM

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We've got a first and third round pick tied up in Cooks...

He's the leader of the WR corps and the most got-his-sh*t-together guy next to Drew on this team...

Since he's gashed the Raiders and other teams with those long plays, everyone, EVERYONE, has made bottling him up the priority...

It may take a few games, but we've just got to make defenses honest on the other Saints options...

Trade Cooks? Trade the Best Hands/Speed Combo Threat in the NFL?

We've got the most plural, complementary WR threat in the NFL, and you want to takeaway Cooks?

O my freaking head...

burningmetal 12-01-2016 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 728842)
As long as Cooks is still on that rookie contract it would take a miracle for him to be traded. Right?

I don't know about miracle. It just all depends on if something came up where there was an opportunity to make an upgrade in an area of greater need. You'd like to think they can do that without trading him, though. It is unlikely, for sure.

We did trade Ricky Williams while he was on his rookie contract, after all. There have been others, though less notable.

Tobias-Reiper 12-01-2016 03:36 AM

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ESPN and a "source", uh?
Where have I heard that song before?

dizzle88 12-01-2016 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 728862)
We've got a first and third round pick tied up in Cooks...

He's the leader of the WR corps and the most got-his-sh*t-together guy next to Drew on this team...

Since he's gashed the Raiders and other teams with those long plays, everyone, EVERYONE, has made bottling him up the priority...

It may take a few games, but we've just got to make defenses honest on the other Saints options...

Trade Cooks? Trade the Best Hands/Speed Combo Threat in the NFL?

We've got the most plural, complementary WR threat in the NFL, and you want to takeaway Cooks?

O my freaking head...

Don't you think it's a little selfish and immature for a guy to be upset about his involvement in a 28 point win though!?!

I would understand if we had lost and he could have helped, but the rams bracketed him and Brees did the right thing by throwing to the open receiver.

I mean come on, your team just won by 28 points. When Cooks had the long TD's people were flying over there to congratulate him, it's a shame he can't be grown up enough to return the favour.

Marques Colston was fiercely competitive, but always stayed professional.

Mardigras9 12-01-2016 08:11 AM

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Someone orient him to the term "team player". He has to be accounted for on every snap, so he was a big part of the offensive output last week.

Tobias-Reiper 12-01-2016 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 728880)
Don't you think it's a little selfish and immature for a guy to be upset about his involvement in a 28 point win though!?!

I would understand if we had lost and he could have helped, but the rams bracketed him and Brees did the right thing by throwing to the open receiver.

I mean come on, your team just won by 28 points. When Cooks had the long TD's people were flying over there to congratulate him, it's a shame he can't be grown up enough to return the favour.

Marques Colston was fiercely competitive, but always stayed professional.

It is a good think that you are refraining yourself from jumping into wild conclusions based on an ESPN article citing a "source".

ChrisXVI 12-01-2016 10:49 AM

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It isn't baseless conjecture by journalists... Cooks said it himself earlier in the season:

In his two previous games, Cooks had a total of five catches for 44 yards -- and he said Monday that “one of the things I feel like in those two games … I probably just wasn’t being used right, in my opinion."

Brandin Cooks glad New Orleans Saints found better way to use him - NFL Nation- ESPN

Audiotom 12-01-2016 12:20 PM

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This is the press trying to fabricate a story

Cooks is a team player through and through

If he had a step and was the best option sunday Drew would have thrown deep

AsylumGuido 12-01-2016 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 728870)
I don't know about miracle. It just all depends on if something came up where there was an opportunity to make an upgrade in an area of greater need. You'd like to think they can do that without trading him, though. It is unlikely, for sure.

We did trade Ricky Williams while he was on his rookie contract, after all. There have been others, though less notable.

That was back when rookie contracts were larger than veteran contracts.

AsylumGuido 12-01-2016 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 728880)
Don't you think it's a little selfish and immature for a guy to be upset about his involvement in a 28 point win though!?!

I would understand if we had lost and he could have helped, but the rams bracketed him and Brees did the right thing by throwing to the open receiver.

I mean come on, your team just won by 28 points. When Cooks had the long TD's people were flying over there to congratulate him, it's a shame he can't be grown up enough to return the favour.

Marques Colston was fiercely competitive, but always stayed professional.

Yes. If he was actually upset about it in a selfish manner. You are buying into click bait, friend. Don't take the bait.

AsylumGuido 12-01-2016 07:26 PM

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Anyone who believes this crap are as out of touch as the Rapoports of the world.

dizzle88 12-02-2016 12:52 AM

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'Closed mouths don't get fed,' Saints' Brandin Cooks said of expressing frustration | NOLA.com

Cooks insists that expressing his frustration is not coming from a selfish place....whilst he complains that he was not utilised and the offense completely steam rolled one of the best Defenses in the league.

Sounds pretty selfish to me, thinking entirely of his own stats and not the final score.

WillSaints81 12-02-2016 09:02 AM

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Do you think someone who is a number 1 receiver in college is just gonna be able to play 100% when he does not get close to the same volume? But at the same time, not targeting him at all in a game one time is not a big deal but in most games he needs to be targeted. I mean he doesn't get even 10 targets most games. This is what you get with ANY number receiver in college. Colston was a lucky pick because he was a rare number 1 but he didn't play for a big school either.

jeanpierre 12-02-2016 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 728880)
Don't you think it's a little selfish and immature for a guy to be upset about his involvement in a 28 point win though!?!

I would understand if we had lost and he could have helped, but the rams bracketed him and Brees did the right thing by throwing to the open receiver.

I mean come on, your team just won by 28 points. When Cooks had the long TD's people were flying over there to congratulate him, it's a shame he can't be grown up enough to return the favour.

Marques Colston was fiercely competitive, but always stayed professional.

Dizz, have you seen Cooks ranting after a game?

He's a guy who's busted his arse to be among the top 10 receivers in the NFL.

He wants to eat and on the back end of a rookie contract (2017 + 1), he needs to enhance his numbers for free agency...

halloween 65 12-02-2016 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 728943)
Dizz, have you seen Cooks ranting after a game?

He's a guy who's busted his arse to be among the top 10 receivers in the NFL.

He wants to eat and on the back end of a rookie contract (2017 + 1), he needs to enhance his numbers for free agency...

He's got a pretty good resume going right now. Someone will pay as long as he stays healthy.

The Dude 12-02-2016 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 728945)
He's got a pretty good resume going right now. Someone will pay as long as he stays healthy.

I'll be pissed if it's not us.

RaginCajun83 12-02-2016 12:38 PM

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Be careful what you wish for Cooks, last couple players to voice their opinions got shipped off to mediocre offenses

BusDriver 12-02-2016 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 728949)
Be careful what you wish for Cooks, last couple players to voice their opinions got shipped off to mediocre offenses

Cleveland is a nice place to play in January. lol

blackangold 12-02-2016 01:26 PM

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If there is one thing the Saints are consistent about... it's not needing a number 1 WR to be productive on offense.

Cooks should be careful and choose his words wisely, because he isn't demonstrating the kind of professionalism and maturity with these comments that we expected to see.

Amazing to me that a guy like Dez Bryant has handled himself better in this same situation this year...

halloween 65 12-02-2016 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 728946)
I'll be pissed if it's not us.

Me too. He cost 2 draft picks, high picks at that.

Utah_Saint 12-02-2016 02:22 PM

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If this is all he said, no harm, no foul.

But if he continues to go to the press to vent his frustrations, then he should go somewhere else. He's a hot commodity right now and teams like the Bears, Rams and 49ers, would probably be willing to give up a good draft pick for his services.

He also needs to understand that players on winning teams get remembered and all players on an NFL roster have three responsibilities...

1) Help the team win
2) Help the team win
3) Help the team win

I love having him in the black and gold but he's not irreplaceable.

Rell&Gold 12-02-2016 03:47 PM

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Doesn't sound selfish sounds like he felt left out of the win I would too If Im the #1 WR on the team & I get zero targets not that he didn't score or have any TD's because he wasn't Targeted as WR whose team was kicking the Rams a$$ I would've felt at least a little left out He feels like he didn't contribute but It's cool Sunday you're going to have plenty coming your way Cooks I actually like that attitude

AsylumGuido 12-02-2016 04:24 PM

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I don't get why y'all are getting so bent out of shape. What did Cooks say that was so wrong? It sounds like a bunch of dogs in here. Y'all hear someone bark at nothing and then every dog in the neighborhood starts barking with no idea of what they are barking at.


Brandin Cooks
‏@brandincooks
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Sounds to me like he is saying that you can't take things personally and he needs to suck it up and be a professional.

NonieT 12-02-2016 07:21 PM

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That's what happens when teams are afraid of ya. Had they not doubled him, he would have torched 'em. They doubled him and got torched by someone else.

WillSaints81 12-02-2016 10:52 PM

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I don't think it was just this game. If the FO can ever realize Coleman is a better play than Snead in road games, then maybe Cooks has more scoring opportunities than he gets. He didn't score against Carolina, Seattle, SF. SF because it was one of those easier games where you don't need to play your best players to win. But games like at Carolina he could have had more chances if the saints moved down the field better. We can all talk about how mediocre Coleman is all we want but he does play better than Snead on the road. Snead really hurts us in road games.

dizzle88 12-03-2016 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 728973)
I don't think it was just this game. If the FO can ever realize Coleman is a better play than Snead in road games, then maybe Cooks has more scoring opportunities than he gets. He didn't score against Carolina, Seattle, SF. SF because it was one of those easier games where you don't need to play your best players to win. But games like at Carolina he could have had more chances if the saints moved down the field better. We can all talk about how mediocre Coleman is all we want but he does play better than Snead on the road. Snead really hurts us in road games.

Coleman is the worst receiver consistence wise in the lineup.

How about the road games vs Giants and Panthers, two games were Coleman had the chance to make huge grabs on game winning drives and he dropped them in both games.

jnormand 12-03-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 728959)
I don't get why y'all are getting so bent out of shape. What did Cooks say that was so wrong? It sounds like a bunch of dogs in here. Y'all hear someone bark at nothing and then every dog in the neighborhood starts barking with no idea of what they are barking at.


Brandin Cooks
‏@brandincooks
They tell you it's a business. Well I guess I have to turn into a businessman�� #shootyourarrows https://www.instagram.com/p/BNW8Bl1BBl6/

Sounds to me like he is saying that you can't take things personally and he needs to suck it up and be a professional.

I don't think it's just that. I think when he addressed the media last Thursday, he said "Quiet mouths don't get fed."

People can take things how they want. While I agree that his first tweet or whatever could have been taken the wrong way, his address to the media wasn't. When a guy says quiet mouths don't get fed after his first initial tweet, it's easy to deduce that he was probably complaining about the lack of targets.

Now I'm a Cooks fan. I think he's awesome. But I don't necessarily believe that what everyone is saying is wrong. You need to remember that he's the one who went on social media in the first place. Then met with the press later that same week and again said some things that point towards him complaining. And it was after a big win.

We're fans of a team that (recently) typically hasn't had any loud mouths on the team, at least very long.

There's nothing wrong with fans voicing displeasure over this. And I don't think anyone here wants to see him leave. But indicating a "me first attitude" isn't going to win the majority of this fan base over.

And I tend to agree with the majority here about him sounding a little selfish. A win is a win. And he did help, just not with catches.

And in the end, if it's deemed acceptable for a player to complain about his lack of plays in a big win, then it also should be acceptable for the fans of that team to complain about the same player *****ing.

A fan base is mostly compromised of people who are more loyal to the team, not an individual player.

AlaskaSaints 12-03-2016 11:09 AM

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Being the fastest player on the field most games, I keep waiting for Drew to hit him 35 yards downfield on a post route a'la Robert Meechem.

He's a true deep threat and we should use him to get ahead and stay ahead.

WillSaints81 12-03-2016 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 728978)
Coleman is the worst receiver consistence wise in the lineup.

How about the road games vs Giants and Panthers, two games were Coleman had the chance to make huge grabs on game winning drives and he dropped them in both games.

It was early in the season against the giants. But Coleman did get a TD catch that helped us almost win in Carolina. But just look Snead's average in road games compared to home games. Even in tough home matchups he has issues but certainly benefitted this year from being overlooked for Thomas. I mean that TD week 2 was a fluke and he was coming off a volumic start. Now that he's been relegated to number three-four territory, his true colors show. In KC he was targeted on that int by Brees that changed the outlook of that whole game. He's just not big enough to overcome physical defenses on the road. At least Coleman can catch some big passes. If Cooks and Thomas have trouble, very good chance Coleman will step up for them. His mostly bad catches have been when those two are making plays. He helped us when we needed it against Carolina. There are receivers that just require volume and Coleman's one of them. You will see week 15 in Arizona which is not gonna be as easy as y'all think it's gonna be. I don't consider TB to be a tough road game.

dizzle88 12-03-2016 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 728995)
It was early in the season against the giants. But Coleman did get a TD catch that helped us almost win in Carolina. But just look Snead's average in road games compared to home games. Even in tough home matchups he has issues but certainly benefitted this year from being overlooked for Thomas. I mean that TD week 2 was a fluke and he was coming off a volumic start. Now that he's been relegated to number three-four territory, his true colors show. In KC he was targeted on that int by Brees that changed the outlook of that whole game. He's just not big enough to overcome physical defenses on the road. At least Coleman can catch some big passes. If Cooks and Thomas have trouble, very good chance Coleman will step up for them. His mostly bad catches have been when those two are making plays. He helped us when we needed it against Carolina. There are receivers that just require volume and Coleman's one of them. You will see week 15 in Arizona which is not gonna be as easy as y'all think it's gonna be. I don't consider TB to be a tough road game.

How was Snead's TD in week 2 a fluke?

He find the gap in coverage, Brees threw it, Snead caught it. Touchdown.

Snead has some of the most reliable hands on our team, the only reason Coleman still has a spot is because he is a good blocker.

Coleman had an awful preseason, training camp and has dropped several big passes this year.


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