Saints crumble against Bucs - Another disappointing loss

SaintsSB · 12-12-2016, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

I disagree with you on Brees. He was definitely off today and he wasn't sharp the past two weeks, but otherwise he looks exactly the same. The forced INT's - we've seen this before.

Cooks, on the other hand, is "complaining" yet he misjudged a pass slowing down before hauling butt to the end zone and missing a sure TD by a step.

I saw a lot of drops, something all too familiar with this team. Some are rather sad and lead to INT's.

I think the missing link is since WR coach Curtis Johnson left the Saints in 2012 to become head coach at Tulane, the offense has never been the same. WR's have been bumbling and dropping balls since 2012. Before that, our team had some of the surest hands in the NFL.

No offense to current WR coach John Morton, but there's been a LOT of drops and unnecessary drama at that position, and the skill set has faded since Curtis Johnson left.

I also blame Sean Payton. It's just not the same since Bountygate.

Peace out.

Brees and Cooks aren't getting the reps during the week that used to happen in the past with Colston, Graham, Moore, etc. The timing of the, what should have been a TD, pass was off with Cooks. The chemistry with this team is just not where it needs to be.

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WillSaints81 · 12-12-2016, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I disagree with you on Brees. He was definitely off today and he wasn't sharp the past two weeks, but otherwise he looks exactly the same. The forced INT's - we've seen this before.

Cooks, on the other hand, is "complaining" yet he misjudged a pass slowing down before hauling butt to the end zone and missing a sure TD by a step.

I saw a lot of drops, something all too familiar with this team. Some are rather sad and lead to INT's.

I think the missing link is since WR coach Curtis Johnson left the Saints in 2012 to become head coach at Tulane, the offense has never been the same. WR's have been bumbling and dropping balls since 2012. Before that, our team had some of the surest hands in the NFL.

No offense to current WR coach John Morton, but there's been a LOT of drops and unnecessary drama at that position, and the skill set has faded since Curtis Johnson left.

I also blame Sean Payton. It's just not the same since Bountygate.

Peace out.

What are we gonna do? Wrestle him from the bears?

K Major · 12-11-2016, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I knew we were gonna lose this game or week 16. The thing is, we had a chance to win this game. I feel Brees thinks he's entitled. He obviously wants someone to give him a reason to win. He's not young hungry qb anymore. I think he played better with that. Suddenly our team has to move hell and thunder for him to win. He needs short fields or he can't win.

This isn't all on Brees. Two TD passes were dropped. Sean Payton refuses to mix in the run; even when the game is close, or just needing a yard to continue a drive. Not to mention clock management.

This game was on the head coach.

44Champs · 12-11-2016, 10:20 PM

I'm surprised the Bucs didnt carry Payton off the field on their shoulders.

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dizzle88 · 12-12-2016, 12:57 AM

Its the offense that's killing us, has been for quite a lot of the season.

13 points in Lions game
13 points in the Giants game
11 points in this game

Not to mention Brees has 6 picks and 0 TD's in the last 2 weeks, the whole offense has 13 turnovers in the last 6 games, ridiculous.

Cooks complaining and then misses 2 easy TD's. He is a "decent" player but not irreplaceable, I'm ready for the team to clean house and start again.

claus808 · 12-12-2016, 04:46 AM

I was thinking on those dropped balls by Cooks... He was probably like, "damn, I just talked all that crap and I've dropped these balls." Trade him while we can I say, not sure how that rookie contract affects that.

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Its the offense that's killing us, has been for quite a lot of the season.

13 points in Lions game
13 points in the Giants game
11 points in this game

Not to mention Brees has 6 picks and 0 TD's in the last 2 weeks, the whole offense has 13 turnovers in the last 6 games, ridiculous.

Cooks complaining and then misses 2 easy TD's. He is a "decent" player but not irreplaceable, I'm ready for the team to clean house and start again.

MatthewT · 12-12-2016, 05:17 AM

Wondering if Brees may be banged up, he doesn't have the same zip on the ball that he had earlier in the year. I just don't know how to explain a QB like him having such bad games with the season on the line...

RailBoss · 12-12-2016, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Wondering if Brees may be banged up, he doesn't have the same zip on the ball that he had earlier in the year. I just don't know how to explain a QB like him having such bad games with the season on the line...

Good point...and of course the team would never disclose that information.
I thought I noticed Brees rubbing his right hand a few times in the second half.

Rsanders24 · 12-12-2016, 07:02 AM

The interior of the offensive line was horrible yesterday for three and a half quarters. The run game was horrible because of it so Payton does what he always does and abandoned it for the short passing game. I know for a fact that two of the ints were thrown against the same coverage, nickel robber, where the FS comes down. They knew we were going to throw deep so they took their chances.

Ashley · 12-12-2016, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

The interior of the offensive line was horrible yesterday for three and a half quarters. The run game was horrible because of it so Payton does what he always does and abandoned it for the short passing game. I know for a fact that two of the ints were thrown against the same coverage, nickel robber, where the FS comes down. They knew we were going to throw deep so they took their chances.

No Max Unger. I didnt see the game I just know he was hurt. We just dont have a good line, or definitely do not have depth

12-12-2016, 09:30 AM	#1
SaintsSB Rookie Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 10	Re: Saints crumble against Bucs - Another disappointing loss Originally Posted by Halo I disagree with you on Brees. He was definitely off today and he wasn't sharp the past two weeks, but otherwise he looks exactly the same. The forced INT's - we've seen this before. Cooks, on the other hand, is "complaining" yet he misjudged a pass slowing down before hauling butt to the end zone and missing a sure TD by a step. I saw a lot of drops, something all too familiar with this team. Some are rather sad and lead to INT's. I think the missing link is since WR coach Curtis Johnson left the Saints in 2012 to become head coach at Tulane, the offense has never been the same. WR's have been bumbling and dropping balls since 2012. Before that, our team had some of the surest hands in the NFL. No offense to current WR coach John Morton, but there's been a LOT of drops and unnecessary drama at that position, and the skill set has faded since Curtis Johnson left. I also blame Sean Payton. It's just not the same since Bountygate. Peace out. Brees and Cooks aren't getting the reps during the week that used to happen in the past with Colston, Graham, Moore, etc. The timing of the, what should have been a TD, pass was off with Cooks. The chemistry with this team is just not where it needs to be. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk Halo and Beastmode like this.
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12-12-2016, 06:27 PM	#2
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Saints crumble against Bucs - Another disappointing loss Originally Posted by Halo I disagree with you on Brees. He was definitely off today and he wasn't sharp the past two weeks, but otherwise he looks exactly the same. The forced INT's - we've seen this before. Cooks, on the other hand, is "complaining" yet he misjudged a pass slowing down before hauling butt to the end zone and missing a sure TD by a step. I saw a lot of drops, something all too familiar with this team. Some are rather sad and lead to INT's. I think the missing link is since WR coach Curtis Johnson left the Saints in 2012 to become head coach at Tulane, the offense has never been the same. WR's have been bumbling and dropping balls since 2012. Before that, our team had some of the surest hands in the NFL. No offense to current WR coach John Morton, but there's been a LOT of drops and unnecessary drama at that position, and the skill set has faded since Curtis Johnson left. I also blame Sean Payton. It's just not the same since Bountygate. Peace out. What are we gonna do? Wrestle him from the bears?

12-11-2016, 10:41 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,742 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints crumble against Bucs - Another disappointing loss Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I knew we were gonna lose this game or week 16. The thing is, we had a chance to win this game. I feel Brees thinks he's entitled. He obviously wants someone to give him a reason to win. He's not young hungry qb anymore. I think he played better with that. Suddenly our team has to move hell and thunder for him to win. He needs short fields or he can't win. This isn't all on Brees. Two TD passes were dropped. Sean Payton refuses to mix in the run; even when the game is close, or just needing a yard to continue a drive. Not to mention clock management. This game was on the head coach. RailBoss, darksoul35 and brees84 like this.

12-11-2016, 10:20 PM	#4
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Saints crumble against Bucs - Another disappointing loss I'm surprised the Bucs didnt carry Payton off the field on their shoulders. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Halo, jnormand, Rsanders24 and 2 others like this.
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12-12-2016, 12:57 AM	#5
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Saints crumble against Bucs - Another disappointing loss Its the offense that's killing us, has been for quite a lot of the season. 13 points in Lions game 13 points in the Giants game 11 points in this game Not to mention Brees has 6 picks and 0 TD's in the last 2 weeks, the whole offense has 13 turnovers in the last 6 games, ridiculous. Cooks complaining and then misses 2 easy TD's. He is a "decent" player but not irreplaceable, I'm ready for the team to clean house and start again. MatthewT and claus808 like this.

12-12-2016, 04:46 AM	#6
claus808 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 213	Re: Saints crumble against Bucs - Another disappointing loss I was thinking on those dropped balls by Cooks... He was probably like, "damn, I just talked all that crap and I've dropped these balls." Trade him while we can I say, not sure how that rookie contract affects that. Originally Posted by dizzle88 Its the offense that's killing us, has been for quite a lot of the season. 13 points in Lions game 13 points in the Giants game 11 points in this game Not to mention Brees has 6 picks and 0 TD's in the last 2 weeks, the whole offense has 13 turnovers in the last 6 games, ridiculous. Cooks complaining and then misses 2 easy TD's. He is a "decent" player but not irreplaceable, I'm ready for the team to clean house and start again.

12-12-2016, 05:17 AM	#7
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Saints crumble against Bucs - Another disappointing loss Wondering if Brees may be banged up, he doesn't have the same zip on the ball that he had earlier in the year. I just don't know how to explain a QB like him having such bad games with the season on the line... Halo and RailBoss like this.

12-12-2016, 06:47 AM	#8
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Saints crumble against Bucs - Another disappointing loss Originally Posted by MatthewT Wondering if Brees may be banged up, he doesn't have the same zip on the ball that he had earlier in the year. I just don't know how to explain a QB like him having such bad games with the season on the line... Good point...and of course the team would never disclose that information. I thought I noticed Brees rubbing his right hand a few times in the second half. Halo likes this.

12-12-2016, 07:02 AM	#9
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Saints crumble against Bucs - Another disappointing loss The interior of the offensive line was horrible yesterday for three and a half quarters. The run game was horrible because of it so Payton does what he always does and abandoned it for the short passing game. I know for a fact that two of the ints were thrown against the same coverage, nickel robber, where the FS comes down. They knew we were going to throw deep so they took their chances.

12-12-2016, 09:36 AM	#10
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: Saints crumble against Bucs - Another disappointing loss Originally Posted by Rsanders24 The interior of the offensive line was horrible yesterday for three and a half quarters. The run game was horrible because of it so Payton does what he always does and abandoned it for the short passing game. I know for a fact that two of the ints were thrown against the same coverage, nickel robber, where the FS comes down. They knew we were going to throw deep so they took their chances. No Max Unger. I didnt see the game I just know he was hurt. We just dont have a good line, or definitely do not have depth Halo likes this.

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