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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by 44Champs All these people that ask "Who would you get to replace him?" As if SP is the only coach that's qualified. I'll post these facts again, and then you tell me WHY it's not a valid ...

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Old 12-24-2016, 12:53 PM   #1
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Re: Gruden, Sean Payton, Shaw options for Rams HC position

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All these people that ask "Who would you get to replace him?" As if SP is the only coach that's qualified. I'll post these facts again, and then you tell me WHY it's not a valid argument to have this discussion.

- 3 consecutive 0-3 starts
- 3 consecutive non-winning seasons
- Last time the team was even above .500 was back in 2013
- Defense ranked either dead last or towards the bottom for the last 3 years
- Worst ranked Special Teams unit
- Won't get rid of his cronies McMahon, Vitt & Johnson

There are a lot of unknowns out there as far as coaching candidates go. But we already know what we have w SP. I think his fire has gone out in in NOLA. Maybe he just needs a change to get relit like our team does.



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Just can't argue with these things anymore either. What'sworse is our cap is maxed out while doing this terrible.

Forgot to include falling down all over ourselves during our biggest games this season
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Old 12-25-2016, 07:51 AM   #2
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Just can't argue with these things anymore either. What'sworse is our cap is maxed out while doing this terrible.

Forgot to include falling down all over ourselves during our biggest games this season
The cap isn't anywhere near to being "maxed out".
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Old 12-25-2016, 12:43 PM   #3
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The cap isn't anywhere near to being "maxed out".
oh yes it has been and 1/4 of it is currently sitting unused in dead money. That's atrocious and is not the mark of a well run org.

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Old 12-25-2016, 08:16 PM   #4
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oh yes it has been and 1/4 of it is currently sitting unused in dead money. That's atrocious and is not the mark of a well run org.

Excuses coming in 3,2,1..
All but $7 million of the dead money rolls off the books after next weekend. That means that means that only 4.24% of the 2017 cap is tied up in dead money. The estimated free cap space for 2017 is over $36 million and that is before roster bonuses are converted and the next Brees extension takes place. Free cap will be approaching $50 million.

You are complaining about something that no longer exists.
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Old 12-25-2016, 11:12 PM   #5
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All but $7 million of the dead money rolls off the books after next weekend. That means that means that only 4.24% of the 2017 cap is tied up in dead money. The estimated free cap space for 2017 is over $36 million and that is before roster bonuses are converted and the next Brees extension takes place. Free cap will be approaching $50 million.

You are complaining about something that no longer exists.
It is already at 9 million, and we have no idea if that will increase or not. It is an issue, clearly it is an issue. We are 7-9 3 straight years, well if we win next week 8-8 this year, but nonetheless you get the idea. Don't tell me it doesn't matter, don't tell me it didn't have an effect. That's nonsense. Whether it is here next season does not change that it is 30%, near 1/3 of our cap this year was dead money. Of course that has longer lasting effects beyond just one season. The bigger question is how will Mick handle the fact that we are no longer in cap space hell. Are him and SP going to go back on the wild spending sprees. Are we going to be smart with players like Nick Fairley and recognize we want to sign him, but remain cautious. You do not win or build by signing big name free agents. Go conservative, find contributors in free agency, but build through successful drafts, and you can do that by stock piling picks.

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It is already at 9 million, and we have no idea if that will increase or not. It is an issue, clearly it is an issue. We are 7-9 3 straight years, well if we win next week 8-8 this year, but nonetheless you get the idea. Don't tell me it doesn't matter, don't tell me it didn't have an effect. That's nonsense. Whether it is here next season does not change that it is 30%, near 1/3 of our cap this year was dead money. Of course that has longer lasting effects beyond just one season. The bigger question is how will Mick handle the fact that we are no longer in cap space hell. Are him and SP going to go back on the wild spending sprees. Are we going to be smart with players like Nick Fairley and recognize we want to sign him, but remain cautious. You do not win or build by signing big name free agents. Go conservative, find contributors in free agency, but build through successful drafts, and you can do that by stock piling picks.
I don't get into the money thing but I do believe and agree about building through the draft. Ozzie Newsom (Ravens)is one of the best at it. I admire how Belichick and the Pats do also. One coach that doesn't get credited for putting teams together is Andy Reid, building through the draft IS a must. We lack depth at most positions and need to focus there in the mid to late rounds to strnghten the Saints as a whole. Development of these players reflect on the coaches, without good coaches a kilil Mack type looks and plays bad.
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