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The pic six that went off of Snead's hands

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First, said it before, as long as we're among the blacksheep among the league with Goodell, "Don't let it come down to the NFL, that's N-F-L, officiating."

Second, some guys with weak @ss effort, no matter fault, are just mad mojo and we shouldn't have overpaid for a bad TE when good linebackers and guards were available via FA...

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See if the Browns want to swap their 1st and 2nd rounder this year for Brees. Draft Deshaun Watson. Sign Brian Hoyer to start until the kid is ready. Build the team up with all that extra cap. Anybody that doesn't like it can get shipped out too.

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And if we don't give the ball away 4 times versus Denver, we completely blow them out and the blocked FG never happens or doesn't lose us the game.

Not to mention Denver had an average starting field position of OUR 45 yard line due to the turnovers.

That is all on the offense, then the very next week Brees throws 2 interceptions in our half once again.

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You're wrong. The Panthers and Broncos losses were from multiple turnovers on our side of the ball. The longest drive the Panthers put together that night was 51 yards. Yes the blocked FG certainly played a roll, and the bonhead move by the returner, but the fumble by brees on our 32 yard line, the interception that left them at our 32 were even more devastating.

But if you want to say offense and ST, go for it, but it wasn't on the defense.

The two turnovers turned into 10 points on drives of 34 yards and 18 yards.

I am going to agree with you about the Giants game. Without the blocked FG for TD we win that game, but it wasn't on the D and means the D let up 9 points that game, but yes not the offenses fault.


The broncos game we had 3 turnovers that led to 13 points from drives starting inside our 40 yard line, 2 inside the 30.

It wasn't our defenses fault.

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I love this post.

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except that half the losses were due to multiple turnovers by the offense. It is shared, unfortunately. Most years it is not, but this year the losses were shared between the O and D. That is just reality

ST helped us to another loss as pointed out by Rail and they contributed on 2 others as well.

Do you know what they call that? ****ty football, undisciplined. Do you know whose fault that is?

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He did a contract just like Brady. What are you talking about?

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And you look at our D they got two turnovers that game I think, they did all they could to win us the game and the offense was like "Nope, not having it, we will lose"

It is undisciplined ****ty football and that's Low Energy's fault.

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Exactly. Brees did his last deal in much the same manner as Brady's. Brady NEVER took any pay cut. His deal simply pushed more hit back while INCREASING the guaranteed amount. That is exactly what Brees did. Get your facts straight, people. Geez. :rolleyes:

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Or Maybe the 12 million we paid Junior to sit on the sidelines could have went to a guard? Or what about the other 28 million in dead money on players that no longer played for us?

Brees makes average money for a QB. Nearly every QB earns 20 million per year. This is not a well thought out post, you clearly did not look at all the factors

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Our O did screw up in games, they ran into a real D that slowed down the O to a crawl but these are the games our D game plan has to be up to par to win, they were not. There were some bad games by the O that there wasn't anyway to come back from(2) in my opionion and should have been (3) but SD blew chunks in the 4th qt and we did. In all honesty with a good D we should be 11-5 right now. We have been screwed for years as fans by never putting a consistantly good D on the field each and every season. We should of had our dynasty and banners hanging everywhere in the dome. I totally blame the D in every way for this.

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You're not counting games we let up 20 points or less by our d (3 of them) and we still lost, or games that the offense had multiple turnovers on our side of the field like broncos, and panthers where we would have won had we not done that. That is 5 games. We had 9 losses, unfortunately this year the theory that it is all our D's fault is just not true. Most years it has been, not this year

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Jesus people it's done, get over it.

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I counted them. I'm not saying the O didn't lose a few, they did. I'm also including the games we won not just the losses. The D would be responsible for 5 out of the 9 losses and a quite few more if not for the O. We should have finished in the 11-5 range, 10-6 at worse. Our D needs good coaches. I look at the SD game as pure luck winning it, without the firepower on the O we would be 5-11. Thats where I picked us to be sadly. Our D played 3 good games out of 16, not every team the D went against had good O's and those teams averaged their ppg or above their ppg against this D and thats not a good thing. There's a reason the D ranking is near the bottom.

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It's not better than most, it's better than all of the except one.

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I get we're all frustrated, it was a tough season. Fact is when you look at the entire season, all 3 phases of the game (offense, defense and special teams) had stretches where they let the team down. And that comes down to coaching.

I posted the offensive numbers to show some that were putting so much of the blame on the offense that while they had their ups and downs there's plenty of blame to go around. It's tough to not point to the defense when they're 31st in the league in points allowed and the offense is 2nd in the league in scoring. Now I tend to be someone who blames the defense more so than the offense but I'm not giving any of them a pass. Another stat that stuck out to me was that we won 1 game all year where the offense didn't score 30 (25-20 against Seattle). The defense at some point has to win some games where you only score 20. Every other team in the NFL won at least 1 game where their offense scored 24 or fewer points.

I know some want to point to turnovers as the reason the D struggled, our offense was 19th in giveaways, our D was 17th in takeaways. For the season we were -3. Our offense did have too many turnovers and our defense didn't force enough. Again, total team effort.

And while I'm posting about the offense and defense I can't get over how bad our special teams was at times and cost us dearly. They definitely didn't do much to help the team.

Looking back at the season, we were just out of sync all year. When the offense was rolling the defense couldn't get a stop. When the defense started playing well the offense went into a funk. I'm not going to blame one side of the ball or the other. I simply want to point out to some that are throwing the offense under the bus that there was plenty of blame to go around. And I'll say it again, when you look as inconsistent as we did all year in all 3 phases of the game you need to look at the coaching staff. This coaching staff hasn't gotten the job done for a while now, 7-9 in 4 out of 5 seasons shows it.

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I just provided 5 games we lost that had absolutely nothing to do with the dense, that only leaves 4

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For you, I know that's bull

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He said what were thinking. All the talent in the world on offense. D-??????

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Brees is 1 of 3 that I can remember this year venting their frustrations: Vaccarro & Cooks did the same thing.

To me, this is due to anemic coaching & a crappy front office. Brees & Cooks seem to be the least likely to complain publicly on this team. Pretty big deal & a strong statement of this year's team if those 2 are complaining.

Or it could just be that all 3 are whiny wienies.

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That's a well thought out argument.

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When Sean Payton came here he started cleaning house from the gorund up and brought in fresh faces with innovative ideas. Those faces were poached after our Superbowl season and what was left was Joe Vitt and the rest of his cronies. Joe Vitt is like a crotchety old grandpa trying to scold and teach a young athlete. It ain't going to work. We need an infusion of youth and fresh ideas in the coaching department.

We also need a fresh face in the pro scouting department. We suck at big name free agent signings.We have done better at the draft since Jeff Ireland came on board defensively even with Anthony under performing. I can't be unhappy with Fairley but he was on the market for a while and we got him for a good price.

Personally, I believe that Loomis is spread too thin with the Saints and the Pelicans. Let him manage the Pelicans and bring in a solid football GM not a beam counter. Someone needs to tell Payton no sometimes......no you can't have Fleener..........no you can't have Spiller and no you can't trade up in the draft for a player that you covet. Payton needs to trade down like the Patriots where you can build solid depth.

I'm fine with DA and his ability to get the most out of scrubs. We make great half time adjustments but we need to better evaluate our opposition.

Lastly........FIRE THAT SPECIAL TEAM COACH COLLEGE ROOM MATE!!!

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It's still a pick six and still on the offense and I have already more than once brought up Snead in these kinds of games. He's being put in a slot role which does not suit him. I bet if Thomas were over the middle that would be greatly improved and a lot of the big corners will not move from the outside to cover inside either.

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Let's do that. And then watch all the reports of Watson and the law.

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We would not have had a dynasty with a better defense. You completely underestimate the other QBs and the fact that Brees loves to throw interceptions more than Brady and Rodgers. And there was NO WAY we would win on the road against a west coast team in the first two rounds. Our offense does not have a advantage on other offenses like before. This offense with 2009's defense would have lost to the vikings in NFCCG in 2009. Brees has not proven he can win on the road against other elite teams in January so how do you know what we can and cannot do? The oline was not gonna block any better if we did get turnovers on the lions. And what kicking two extra field goals is 19 points. The lions was held to five field goals. You want a disciplined team like Denver to turn the ball in the redzone? That does not happen with teams like that. KC is not going to do that crap either. On three days rest, you're not going to disrupt Cam Newton especially after a game against Denver. 2009 was a fluke for turnovers. We did not replicate that in 2010 with the same players(minus Fujita).

Tell me something you actually believe we could have a defense like Denver? If you do, you need to get your eyes examined. Only top 10 defenses hold good offenses to less than 20 per game. And what's the point of having SP on the team if we want Brees to do what Russell Wilson can do off of turnovers? It's not hard to score off of turnovers for most teams in the league. All Payton is is a clipboard holder. He doesn't motivate players on the sidelines or any of that stuff like a mental coach. If we don't want to be the feared offense in the league we used to be, then get a defensive head coach. SP did not coach this team to score 20-25 ppg or have 13 point first halfs.

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I guess you didn't see Atlanta win in Oakland and Carolina almost win. The offense didn't change the schedule got tougher.

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I hate to burst your bubble but if we fielded a D in the 13 to 17 range we would be scary. The only reason the O stuggled was Payton not sticking with the run (ever) and fixing the G position. Remind me where this Dennis Allen led D ended up again?

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You're wasting your time. He blames almost every loss solely on the shoulders of the offense.

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Brees saying he can't keep putting off that in-ground pool, year after year

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I can see a difference between this offense and 2011's offense.