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SmashMouth 01-05-2017 09:18 AM

Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Terrelle Pryor now has 1,000-yard seasons receiving and passing | ProFootballTalk

rezburna 01-05-2017 09:29 AM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Pryor and Cooks on the field together would add a lot of speed. You'd definitely be stretching the field vertically. He's also a big body. Give us an option for those trick plays Payton likes because Pryor can definitely throw the rock. I wouldn't mind.

ChrisXVI 01-05-2017 09:31 AM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Why? Pryor's a head case.

Seer1 01-05-2017 09:43 AM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
He's seemed to pull it together finally, but could we really afford him? I think Cleveland's gonna make it tough for anyone else to pick him up.

bobdog86 01-05-2017 09:52 AM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Think we have other areas of concern requiring more immediate attention, i.e. Just about anywhere on defense, special teams, current/future coaching changes, TE. Not saying he wouldn't provide another weapon, just think we have other issues that need fixed.

jeanpierre 01-05-2017 10:01 AM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
We've got bigger needs at Right Guard and Defensive End...

We've got looming contract extensions in RFA Willie Snead and next season with Brandin Cooks...

We've got a cluster**** at TE in Coby Fleener that needs to be addressed as well...

Why would we allocated the required cap space to sign him and waterdown the opportunities for 3 WR on the roster now with the No. 1 offense?

Beastmode 01-05-2017 10:39 AM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
He's not just a WR. I followed him all year. QB, RB, returner. He can add a lot of value even with a high price tag. Would be hard to get him but him, Cooks, and Thomas on the field would be insane. That's three 1,000 yard receivers on the field. Good luck bottling them all up at the same time.

Crusader 01-05-2017 10:56 AM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
I like him as a player but we just don't have a need that validates spending money on him. Thomas and Cooks both caught passes for more than 1100yds. Snead around 900yd. Who would you get rid of to make room for Pryor?

K Major 01-05-2017 11:22 AM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Sign a top tier guard, top tier DE /CB and mid tier LB.

Pryor is a super talent but not a top priority in NO at the WR position.

MatthewT 01-05-2017 11:49 AM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
I am going to say no to him, unless by some miraculous chance he comes inexpensive. I do not think the Saints should look at any high priced free agents. But with that said, I think Pryor would fit in very nice on the Saints roster, teaming him up with Sneed, Cooks, Thomas, and Coleman could actually improve an already great group.

SaintFanInATLHELL 01-05-2017 12:12 PM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
While the Saints defense made progress, they still ended up the 31st ranked scoring defense in 2016. So unless Pryor can be a healthy shutdown corner or effectively rush the passer, adding any offensive player that isn't a lineman really doesn't make a lot of sense.

Maybe some folks missed the reference in the final game that the 2016 Saints are only the 2nd team in NFL history to have a 5000 yd QB, 2 1000+ yard receivers, and a 1000+ yard rusher on the the same team.
While the Saints offense can sometimes be inconsistent and slow starting, there really isn't a fundamental problem with offensive production.

Unfortunately the 2 Falcons games illustrate where resources need to be allocated. Scoring 32 points in each game and losing both doesn't mean that you need more offense.

SFIAH

ChrisXVI 01-05-2017 12:20 PM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
I will say this... we were in the same situation last offseason being in dire straits defensively and our big money signing was Coby Fleener. Payton loves his weapons so who knows?!

Beastmode 01-05-2017 12:57 PM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 732554)
I will say this... we were in the same situation last offseason being in dire straits defensively and our big money signing was Coby Fleener. Payton loves his weapons so who knows?!

Yeah but Fleener can't play QB or do returns. Likely not going to happen though. Our D and OL needs the upgrades. If not for that then I could see it.

dizzle88 01-05-2017 02:01 PM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Michael Thomas is more grounded and will become a much better football player than Pryor.

We don't need him.

Beastmode 01-05-2017 02:06 PM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 732564)
Michael Thomas is more grounded and will become a much better football player than Pryor.

We don't need him.

Brees is old, say we lose a couple of QB's like the Pats early. It would be nice to have him around. He's not just a WR. Just something to consider.

rezburna 01-05-2017 02:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 732548)
Sign a top tier guard, top tier DE /CB and mid tier LB.

Pryor is a super talent but not a top priority in NO at the WR position.

What if there's money left over and he's affordable?

Crusader 01-05-2017 03:05 PM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 732567)
What if there's money left over and he's affordable?

Then I'd say sign him in a heartbeat. Unfortunately I believe he will get paid like a #1 WR.

Danno 01-05-2017 03:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 732567)
What if there's money left over and he's affordable?

Thats what I was about to post. Its not like signing this guy is gonna keep us from spending on defense.

We desperately need a returner. (someone said he returns kicks, but I don't see that anywhere)

How much would this guy cost us? Whats his market?

rezburna 01-05-2017 03:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 732569)
Thats what I was about to post. Its not like signing this guy is gonna keep us from spending on defense.

We desperately need a returner. (someone said he returns kicks, but I don't see that anywhere)

How much would this guy cost us? Whats his market?

I think he's a high end #2 receiver. Whatever Snead's value on the market is I'd say Pryor is worth about $2 million more.

Beastmode 01-05-2017 03:34 PM

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You are correct, no official returns but he did learn to become a 1,000 yd WR in one year. He's also 6'4", a great target for Brees. Super fast, athletic and will comeback for the ball and extend for it. I know he wants out of there as well. Somebody is going to pay him big money.

voodooido 01-05-2017 05:31 PM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
No

Beastmode 01-05-2017 05:40 PM

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Dude wants to win. Nobody changes positions like that and then has an amazing season. Took a lot of hard work and dedication to make that happen. That's the kind of players we need.

SmashMouth 01-05-2017 06:22 PM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Who doesn't think he wants to leave Cleveland to play with a real QB, a Hall of Fame QB? And he's not getting #1 WR money, that's for sure.

nola_swammi 01-05-2017 06:56 PM

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Don't need to start shopping for top free agents unless they're OL GUARDS ONLY. I have a suggestion most might hate. Trade Brandin Cooks and sign back Kenny Stills, other than that focus on OFFENSIVE GUARDS

Utah_Saint 01-05-2017 07:18 PM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 732569)
Thats what I was about to post. Its not like signing this guy is gonna keep us from spending on defense.

We desperately need a returner. (someone said he returns kicks, but I don't see that anywhere)

How much would this guy cost us? Whats his market?

According to Yahoo Sports, Pryor will probably get Tavon Austin kinda money, $42mil over 4 years with $25mil guaranteed.

Terrelle Pryor quit being stubborn and it could result in $42M payoff

Most of y'all are better at this salary cap stuff than I am but...

In theory...

Pryor $11mil
Shut down corner $12.5mil (Janoris Jenkins money)
High end guard $10mil (J.R. Sweezy money)

$33.5 million (high end estimates, could be lower)
$36 million under the cap (New Orleans Saints 2017 Salary Cap Table | Spotrac)

Monster DE at #11 in April

So it does look like it's doable.

WR isn't really a need but having Cooks, Thomas, Snead and Pryor definitely wouldn't hurt my feelings.

gulfgambler 01-05-2017 07:20 PM

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Neaux!!!!!!!

Danno 01-05-2017 07:29 PM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 732655)
According to Yahoo Sports, Pryor will probably get Tavon Austin kinda money, $42mil over 4 years with $25mil guaranteed.

Terrelle Pryor quit being stubborn and it could result in $42M payoff

Most of y'all are better at this salary cap stuff than I am but...

In theory...

Pryor $11mil
Shut down corner $12.5mil (Janoris Jenkins money)
High end guard $10mil (J.R. Sweezy money)

$33.5 million (high end estimates, could be lower)
$36 million under the cap (New Orleans Saints 2017 Salary Cap Table | Spotrac)

Monster DE at #11 in April

So it does look like it's doable.

WR isn't really a need but having Cooks, Thomas, Snead and Pryor definitely wouldn't hurt my feelings.

If thats what he demands, NFW!!!

Beastmode 01-05-2017 08:08 PM

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He won't be getting that kind of money. All it took was a mediocre corner to lock him down. Most of the time he was going against weak CB's. Whenever he hit a team with a half decent corner he got shutdown.

With a good QB though he could have some insane numbers, way beyond 1,000 yards. The guy is insane fast and agile. I think people are kidding themselves if they believe he would not be a good fit with Brees. Maybe not price wise but Brees could throw him open most of the time. He's 6ft 4!!

AsylumGuido 01-05-2017 09:00 PM

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This is all stupid. No way it would ever happen.

SmashMouth 01-05-2017 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 732727)
This is all stupid. No way it would ever happen.

http://i.imgur.com/eKTI5.gif

rezburna 01-05-2017 09:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 732664)
If thats what he demands, NFW!!!

True. I'd give him $6-8 million at the most.

jeanpierre 01-05-2017 09:57 PM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Again, Willie Snead is a RFA this year...

Brandin Cooks is coming to the end of his rookie deal next year, though there's an option year...

We had the No. 1 offense with Cooks-Thomas-Snead - that's your three...

So you'd allocate precious cap space for ANOTHER WR? Did anyone not learn from the C.J. Spiller free agency signing?

We still don't have a No. 1 TE unless Josh Hill comes in healthy, and he's more of a 1A/2TE difference maker type...

Not to mention Kenny V is in his option year...

And then there's Right Guard and Left Defensive End...

Beastmode 01-05-2017 10:17 PM

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People said the same thing about Ingram on here. I was one of the only ones that said watch. This move however is a real stretch but it's still on the edge of the table. If Pryor gets a good QB though look out. He's was a threat with some real garbage QB's this season.

WillSaints81 01-06-2017 12:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 732565)
Brees is old, say we lose a couple of QB's like the Pats early. It would be nice to have him around. He's not just a WR. Just something to consider.

So whose snaps/targets does he take? Not every playmaker will fit on this team that won't get 7+ targets every game. He's a upgrade over Snead, Thomas can finally go to the middle then. Otherwise, he would only affect Thomas and Snead and Cooks is already inconsistent.

WillSaints81 01-06-2017 12:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 732750)
People said the same thing about Ingram on here. I was one of the only ones that said watch. This move however is a real stretch but it's still on the edge of the table. If Pryor gets a good QB though look out. He's was a threat with some real garbage QB's this season.

If you think Pryor will be happy with his four targets per game.......

WillSaints81 01-06-2017 12:54 AM

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The receivers outside Snead we have today I don't see them being as patient as Moore and Henderson were.

Cruize 01-06-2017 05:06 AM

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Would a free, lifetime pass to every establishment on Bourbon Street count against the cap? :) That's about all the Saints can afford to give him.

ChrisXVI 01-06-2017 06:18 AM

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In the words of his former teammate Brian Hartline:

"If I'm building a team, what is [Pryor]?" Hartline asked during an appearance on Columbus radio station 105.7 The Zone (via Ohio.com). "Is he my No. 1? God, I hope not because let's put it this way: For me, I want a guy day in and day out I know what I'm getting. You don't know what you're going to get. You don't know who's going to show up. You don't know if he's going to get in trouble. You don't know if he's going to smart off. I need stability. That's so much more important to me.

"I need a guy that runs routes. I need stability. I need constant production. Is he a No. 2? OK, yeah. I mean maybe. He kind of disappeared the last couple weeks. So I'm very apprehensive as a Cleveland Browns guy to give out a contract. Listen, you had one year. You're a flash in the pan. You're trying to tell me with a guy that had suspect personality characteristics, I'm going to go ahead and hand you a bunch of money but you're going to work harder? Uh, I think I'm going to bet against that if I'm a betting man."

halloween 65 01-06-2017 07:59 AM

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2 good TE and 1 mean G is all thats needed for the O. I do look at Striefs replacement in the draft this season, not saying Strief is done, just drafting one for when he is. And if we do I hope he can last as long as Strief has.

rezburna 01-06-2017 09:25 AM

Re: Terrelle Pryor as a Saint WR... should we?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 732776)
In the words of his former teammate Brian Hartline:

"If I'm building a team, what is [Pryor]?" Hartline asked during an appearance on Columbus radio station 105.7 The Zone (via Ohio.com). "Is he my No. 1? God, I hope not because let's put it this way: For me, I want a guy day in and day out I know what I'm getting. You don't know what you're going to get. You don't know who's going to show up. You don't know if he's going to get in trouble. You don't know if he's going to smart off. I need stability. That's so much more important to me.

"I need a guy that runs routes. I need stability. I need constant production. Is he a No. 2? OK, yeah. I mean maybe. He kind of disappeared the last couple weeks. So I'm very apprehensive as a Cleveland Browns guy to give out a contract. Listen, you had one year. You're a flash in the pan. You're trying to tell me with a guy that had suspect personality characteristics, I'm going to go ahead and hand you a bunch of money but you're going to work harder? Uh, I think I'm going to bet against that if I'm a betting man."

Didn't he beat Hartline out for a roster spot? We're talking about a guy who went from QB to WR and still beat out Hartline. He put up 1,000 yards on a team with no QB. He runs a 4.3. He's tall af. Sounds like sour grapes to me. There was no reason for him to come out and say all this.


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