Coaching changes signal urgency

RailBoss · 01-08-2017, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That he replaced longtime friends Vitt, Johnson and McMahon? Nope. This looks like he is serious.

I'm not so sure the choice was Sean Payton's to make. In my opinion
it was more like make the necessary changes or he was out the door.
You can say a lot of things about Coach Payton but you can't say
he's stupid.

spkb25 · 01-08-2017, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

I'm not so sure the choice was Sean Payton's to make. In my opinion
it was more like make the necessary changes or he was out the door.
You can say a lot of things about Coach Payton but you can't say
he's stupid.

Yep, patience is wearing thin. There is going to be loyalty from Benson for him having won so much in the past, but this is three straight losing seasons and 4 of the last 5

AsylumGuido · 01-08-2017, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Yep, patience is wearing thin. There is going to be loyalty from Benson for him having won so much in the past, but this is three straight losing seasons and 4 of the last 5

Yes, patience is clearly wearing thin. Payton's patience. And he did something about it. Payton isn't some spineless figurehead of a coach that can be pushed around. Do you seriously think that Payton is anymore satisfied than you with 7-9 records? Most likely he is far more dissatisfied and the greater difference is that HE can actually do something about it other than griping. Everything that I have read or heard about the relationships inside the Saints front office is that Payton runs everything that has to do with football operations. Loomis answers to him in everything outside of financial implications of contracts and the cap. This is pretty much the same way the Patriots operate. Could you ever imagine Belichick being told to do something concerning operations? Nope. Same structure as with Payton and the Saints.

Danno · 01-08-2017, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes, patience is clearly wearing thin. Payton's patience. And he did something about it. Payton isn't some spineless figurehead of a coach that can be pushed around. Do you seriously think that Payton is anymore satisfied than you with 7-9 records? Most likely he is far more dissatisfied and the greater difference is that HE can actually do something about it other than griping. Everything that I have read or heard about the relationships inside the Saints front office is that Payton runs everything that has to do with football operations. Loomis answers to him in everything outside of financial implications of contracts and the cap. This is pretty much the same way the Patriots operate. Could you ever imagine Belichick being told to do something concerning operations? Nope. Same structure as with Payton and the Saints.

Agreed...

Payton - "I want players x, y and z. Make it happen"
Loomis - "Yes sir"

AsylumGuido · 01-08-2017, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Agreed...

Payton - "I want players x, y and z. Make it happen"
Loomis - "Yes sir"

Exactly. The Patriots simply take it one step further and do not have anyone with the official title of GM. They have someone that does exactly the same job as Loomis though, and their duty is to handle cap related issues. Payton runs the whole show. That has been stated many times by those "in the know".

Rugby Saint II · 01-08-2017, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly. The Patriots simply take it one step further and do not have anyone with the official title of GM. They have someone that does exactly the same job as Loomis though, and their duty is to handle cap related issues. Payton runs the whole show. That has been stated many times by those "in the know".

True Dat! Payton runs the show. The thing is Payton needs a handler to reign in his gambling tendencies. Most of the good franchises have a football knowledgeable GM who is qualified to lead the coach to the right decision.

spkb25 · 01-08-2017, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

True Dat! Payton runs the show.

If this is true then everything that has gone wrong is his fault, and there is a lot of **** that has gone wrong. And he is on the hott seat bad, hence all of his firings. That was management telling him, right this ship or you are next

AsylumGuido · 01-08-2017, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

True Dat! Payton runs the show. The thing is Payton needs a handler to reign in his gambling tendencies. Most of the good franchises have a football knowledgeable GM who is qualified to lead the coach to the right decision.

Get used to it. It is what it is. It isn't going to change. The only persons that can make that change are the Bensons and you'll never see it from them.

AsylumGuido · 01-08-2017, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

I'm not so sure the choice was Sean Payton's to make. In my opinion
it was more like make the necessary changes or he was out the door.
You can say a lot of things about Coach Payton but you can't say
he's stupid.

As I pointed out in another thread, you are reflecting on how some other franchises in the NFL works. Make no mistake, ALL coaching decisions concerning the Saints are made solely by Sean Payton. Tom Benson worships the ground that Payton walks on since Sean gave him that Super Bowl. Loomis always defers to Payton, as well. Payton could go another ten years at 7-9 and his job would be safe if he wanted to stay. Not that there is any chance of that happening.

I am not alone in this thought process. Several articles have been written recently by people that truly know the Saints operation, as opposed to clueless national bloggers and web click generators, that have stated exactly the same thing.

One thing you WERE right about and that is that Payton is not stupid. He knew that changes were needed with defensive line, LB and special teams and he made those changes. He didn't needed an owner that is always totally hands off or GM that is only a pencil pusher to steer him in the right direction.

spkb25 · 01-08-2017, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

I'm not so sure the choice was Sean Payton's to make. In my opinion
it was more like make the necessary changes or he was out the door.
You can say a lot of things about Coach Payton but you can't say
he's stupid.

Meanwhile here comes the arguer looking for an argument stating opinions as facts and then later when someone else does the same he will be quick to say but you don't know that you're not on the inside. Full of more stuffing than a thanksgiving day turkey

BTW RB, don't let him suck you in bro.

01-08-2017, 11:52 AM	#1
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Coaching changes signal urgency Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That he replaced longtime friends Vitt, Johnson and McMahon? Nope. This looks like he is serious. I'm not so sure the choice was Sean Payton's to make. In my opinion it was more like make the necessary changes or he was out the door. You can say a lot of things about Coach Payton but you can't say he's stupid. spkb25 and 44Champs like this.

01-08-2017, 11:56 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Coaching changes signal urgency Originally Posted by RailBoss I'm not so sure the choice was Sean Payton's to make. In my opinion it was more like make the necessary changes or he was out the door. You can say a lot of things about Coach Payton but you can't say he's stupid. Yep, patience is wearing thin. There is going to be loyalty from Benson for him having won so much in the past, but this is three straight losing seasons and 4 of the last 5

01-08-2017, 12:13 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Coaching changes signal urgency Originally Posted by spkb25 Yep, patience is wearing thin. There is going to be loyalty from Benson for him having won so much in the past, but this is three straight losing seasons and 4 of the last 5 Yes, patience is clearly wearing thin. Payton's patience. And he did something about it. Payton isn't some spineless figurehead of a coach that can be pushed around. Do you seriously think that Payton is anymore satisfied than you with 7-9 records? Most likely he is far more dissatisfied and the greater difference is that HE can actually do something about it other than griping. Everything that I have read or heard about the relationships inside the Saints front office is that Payton runs everything that has to do with football operations. Loomis answers to him in everything outside of financial implications of contracts and the cap. This is pretty much the same way the Patriots operate. Could you ever imagine Belichick being told to do something concerning operations? Nope. Same structure as with Payton and the Saints. Danno and Rugby Saint II like this.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-08-2017, 12:15 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Coaching changes signal urgency Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes, patience is clearly wearing thin. Payton's patience. And he did something about it. Payton isn't some spineless figurehead of a coach that can be pushed around. Do you seriously think that Payton is anymore satisfied than you with 7-9 records? Most likely he is far more dissatisfied and the greater difference is that HE can actually do something about it other than griping. Everything that I have read or heard about the relationships inside the Saints front office is that Payton runs everything that has to do with football operations. Loomis answers to him in everything outside of financial implications of contracts and the cap. This is pretty much the same way the Patriots operate. Could you ever imagine Belichick being told to do something concerning operations? Nope. Same structure as with Payton and the Saints. Agreed... Payton - "I want players x, y and z. Make it happen" Loomis - "Yes sir" Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-08-2017, 12:20 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Coaching changes signal urgency Originally Posted by Danno Agreed... Payton - "I want players x, y and z. Make it happen" Loomis - "Yes sir" Exactly. The Patriots simply take it one step further and do not have anyone with the official title of GM. They have someone that does exactly the same job as Loomis though, and their duty is to handle cap related issues. Payton runs the whole show. That has been stated many times by those "in the know".

01-08-2017, 12:54 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: Coaching changes signal urgency Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly. The Patriots simply take it one step further and do not have anyone with the official title of GM. They have someone that does exactly the same job as Loomis though, and their duty is to handle cap related issues. Payton runs the whole show. That has been stated many times by those "in the know". True Dat! Payton runs the show. The thing is Payton needs a handler to reign in his gambling tendencies. Most of the good franchises have a football knowledgeable GM who is qualified to lead the coach to the right decision.

01-08-2017, 01:41 PM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Coaching changes signal urgency Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II True Dat! Payton runs the show. If this is true then everything that has gone wrong is his fault, and there is a lot of **** that has gone wrong. And he is on the hott seat bad, hence all of his firings. That was management telling him, right this ship or you are next

01-08-2017, 01:46 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Coaching changes signal urgency Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II True Dat! Payton runs the show. The thing is Payton needs a handler to reign in his gambling tendencies. Most of the good franchises have a football knowledgeable GM who is qualified to lead the coach to the right decision. Get used to it. It is what it is. It isn't going to change. The only persons that can make that change are the Bensons and you'll never see it from them.

01-08-2017, 12:02 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Coaching changes signal urgency Originally Posted by RailBoss I'm not so sure the choice was Sean Payton's to make. In my opinion it was more like make the necessary changes or he was out the door. You can say a lot of things about Coach Payton but you can't say he's stupid. As I pointed out in another thread, you are reflecting on how some other franchises in the NFL works. Make no mistake, ALL coaching decisions concerning the Saints are made solely by Sean Payton. Tom Benson worships the ground that Payton walks on since Sean gave him that Super Bowl. Loomis always defers to Payton, as well. Payton could go another ten years at 7-9 and his job would be safe if he wanted to stay. Not that there is any chance of that happening. I am not alone in this thought process. Several articles have been written recently by people that truly know the Saints operation, as opposed to clueless national bloggers and web click generators, that have stated exactly the same thing. One thing you WERE right about and that is that Payton is not stupid. He knew that changes were needed with defensive line, LB and special teams and he made those changes. He didn't needed an owner that is always totally hands off or GM that is only a pencil pusher to steer him in the right direction.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-08-2017, 12:06 PM	#10
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Coaching changes signal urgency Originally Posted by RailBoss I'm not so sure the choice was Sean Payton's to make. In my opinion it was more like make the necessary changes or he was out the door. You can say a lot of things about Coach Payton but you can't say he's stupid. Meanwhile here comes the arguer looking for an argument stating opinions as facts and then later when someone else does the same he will be quick to say but you don't know that you're not on the inside. Full of more stuffing than a thanksgiving day turkey BTW RB, don't let him suck you in bro.

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