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How did he get Giants D from hot garbage to this in one year???

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The Giants purchased a defense last off season.

Talent matters.

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It's not the first time Spags has put together a good D.

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He's coaching well this year because he has the best secondary/DL combo in the entire league (outside of Denver) and almost none of them were developed by Spags. Shocker.

The guy is not a good coach unless he's in an absolute perfect situation. Good coaches don't produce 32nd ranked defenses with decent talent and we had decent talent in 2012.

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Prob and Corey white were starting. in '14 and '15 we were 32nd as well, and 25th this year. I am going to go ahead and say it wasn't spags.

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I was referring to the Giants. They were the ranked #32nd in total defense last year :rolleyes:.

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Got ya, IDK because they may have had injuries or been adjusting to his scheme. I wish we had given him a year or two more to make a difference

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Sadly we opted to spend big on Coby Fleener instead of following suit.

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Spend on the Front 7, can't go wrong. Although they just got their ass handed to them by the Packers
The Packers defense isn't much better than ours

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Unfortunately for us, it seems the Packers have a strength and conditioning coach who is actually good at his job.

Either that or since signing Brees, our FO get some kind of kick out of signing often injured players.

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Report: Drugs on Party Yacht Used by Odell Beckham and Fellow Giants Receivers | Obsev

Giants weren't exactly focused...

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Pretty sad if that is true.

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Maybe the DC never mattered because we always had the same ****ty position coaches... Allen probably told Payton how trash they are and what he needed to make the D great again.

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Judging by their performance in the Packers game I'm thinking they may have celebrated a bit too soon.

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Cleaning house may not do anything. Probably a 10% chance we get to the ok zone.

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spags is a good coach. but he is a 43 purest and following Williams was a huge challenge.

spent the money on the front 7 sure helped Trent Murphy to DE vs OLB was huge.

But Landon Collins play at SS was a huge factor feeding of that front 7.

its a chain reaction

did you see Johnathan Hankins play? once again solid, ate up double teams

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I still get sick thinking about Spags and his 2012 Saints defense. Very little talent to start off with, then would only rush his front 4, drop 7 back, get completely tore up, and make very few to no adjustments.

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Ive always though he deserved a pass on that s...show of a season. Nothing would have worked with a suspended Payton and then two part time HC and probably screwed out of having Collins as our second round pick on the back of no number 1 pick. Then the geniuses in the front office spending our third rounder on a complete unknown and project

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Where's the don't like key? I've gotta go with it has a much larger chance at improving than in staying the same. There's not really much room for it to get any worse.

Granted, it's a big depends kind of thing. Depends on who they bring in, but DC after DC being saddled with Sean's boys have helped no one's cause. Except the opposing teams'.

Sooo, are they gonna **** themselves again next year?

Depends...

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DA is creative and I believe that with talent his scheme will succeed. He's done wonders with our devastating injuries to the entire defense but especially the secondary. Remember we played the last four games without Vaccaro and he is another impactful player not on the field at game time.

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The whole strength and conditioning thing is BS in the NFL.

In the NCAA it is extremely important.

The PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS in the NFL have personal contracts with supplement companies and personal trainers.
They do their own thing.

They do have an obligation to show up at camp ready to do their jobs.
This is especially important in their offseason conditioning.

If they fail to do so?

They are not committed to their profession.

No coach can motivate them to do so.

Also, The Greenbriar doesn't cause ACL tears nor does practicing in Metairie make joints or muscles tougher.

I do agree that the slow starts to the season could possibly be mitigated by tougher training camps on Airline Dr.
The Saints' 0-3 starts lately seem to point toward a "soft" mindset.

In no way do I believe that The Greenbriar contributes to soft tissue injuries.
I will entertain the idea that it makes the players less ready to start the season mentally tough.

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This is true. I just did some research on conditioning and its relation to injuries. To really have a material affect it has to be a year round routine. To strengthen knees to give some prevention against torn ligaments and such, it takes methodical work on each of the muscle groups around the knee to give an equal degree of strength. Any lack of balance between the muscle groups, no matter how strong all of the stronger groups are, can result in failure. This is not something that can be established during OTA's, mini-camps or training camps alone. It certainly isn't something that can be addressed during the season. As Rocky stated above, this is on the players themselves. In fact, under the current CBA, there is less time than ever that the team can spend with the players. They have to utilize the time they do have as best they can. Preventative conditioning is something that HAS to be accomplished by the players themselves.

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Agreed. Strength and conditioning shows in the fourth quarter, if it's going to show at all. It's the technique, scheme and situational awareness where our players are really lacking. Some injuries are just gonna happen, but I believe that just as many happen due to poor technique, Remember Kenny's tackling with only his helmet his first year? At least until he knocked himself out of the season.

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its called a 100 million dollar investment

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sitting vacarro the last 4 was the smartest move the front office made since 2009. we need that guy in the start of a new season if at all have a chance to break out of these 0-3 freakin starts,we new we were doomed for playoffs this year. we are still a couple of pieces away, hopefully the draft and most likely free agency with a little more cash in hand i've heard in 17 will get it done xxxxx fingers.

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Spent a TON of money on the D line. That's the key. One unit.

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Every since Payton came back from his year off in shape from cross fit training he implemented the workout into the program. I read somewhere that cross fit isn't good on the tendons and ligaments which could explain the abnormally high number of injuries. It's just a theory though.