Hasbeen vs Saban
 

Yes sports fans , coming to a sports center near you . The battle between 2 Louisianna legends .

Nick Saban - the wanted coach by many Saints faithful to lead the Saints to the promised land much the way he lead the Tigers to the National Championship .The man who put Baton Rouge back on the map and started the jokes flowing in Louisianna about Baton Rouge getting an N.F.L. franchise . Of course they won't get one , because then New Orleans would want one .

Jim Hasbeen - Well certainly a Louisianna legend , in his own mind .

Round one - T Buck

Gotta call it like I see it here , Hasbeen tries to draw Saban in with the low draft pick and current contract and Saban does not flinch . Hasbeen is then forced into the corner and let T Buck go with a cap hit to the Saints . Saban swoops in and gets T Buck for next to nothing , where he could play better at his natural position . It's that strong right move by Saban that has Hasbeen face down on the canvas at the end of round one .

More round to follow as they happen ..... ;)

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

I am not real sure about this move on Saban\'s part. Is T-Buc riding Sammy Knight\'s coat tails or what? If he signs with the Cheifs after Sammy is done their I will be 100%. I really think this is a reach on Saban\'s part and he is paying for what he is getting!

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

That\'s why he makes the big bucks.

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

Why would Miami give us a pick, when they knew that we had to cut him anyway? Shouldn\'t this be Loomis vs. Saban. Since both are responsible for making the personeel moves?

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

I agree with FireVent. It\'s not Haslett\'s deal, it\'s Loomis\'. Besides, I personally think Saban got the sh** at the end of the stick. He has no idea what he gotten himself into. How can you say Saban made a good move? Besides, if you really want to compare the moves.....Haslett picked up Dwight Smith and parted ways with an overrated underachieving, poor tackling safety. Sounds to me that Saban is the one who\'s gonna get a kick in the n*ts. Have fun with T-Sucky Saban. The 400,000 cap hit is worth not having that moron on the roster. :xxrotflmao:

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

Probably, but we like to let 08 have his fun. :smile_bounce:

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

The final call always comes down to Loomis , but the Head Coach has his list of players for the team . Like T Bucky in the trade that brought him to New Orleans , Hasbeen liked him and Loomis gets the deal done .

Strong GM\'s or Owners with puppet coaches like anyone who has ever coached in Oakland , wakes up to find some new players on the roster .

Sure we can twist it to make the GM\'s the men , but it came down to 1 Head Coach saying I do not want him on the team and 1 Head Coach saying I would have him on the team and use his talents properly .

:bananajoy:

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

Nuh-uh. Haslett is calling the shots. Just ask Billy.

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

Seemed like Mueller had his own way of doing things in New Orleans which you could tell from the trades and players brought in , once Mueller stepped out of the picture it seemed as though every write up indicated Hasbeen was heavily involved as somehow he had managed to gain total control .

The draft might be the indicator to Saints fans who is in control .

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

I dont know how you can compare the two 08. I mean one\'s not accomplished anything in the nfl yet, and the other has proved he\'s pretty good. Lets dont forget how bad the Saints were before Haz got here. I think Haz needs more support, insted of everyone booing or calling for his job everytime something goes wrong. (Brooks to for that matter)

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

Real simple

If Saban puts the Dolphins on track and they make any noise in their division , every area sportscaster is gonna sing the Saban blues if Hasbeen has the Saints flopping around at the .500 mark .

I think I need a clearer definition of pretty good . 1 play off appearance with an uncharted quarterback and a pretty talented team does not make pretty good to me .

Hasbeen is a fish out of water trying to lead this team to the Super Bowl . The only knowledge Hasbeen has of the Super Bowl is from being in a city that hosted it .

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

yes i agree there will be comparison\'s , but mostly by press and fans in new orleans. By pretty good i mean Haz\'s team has broke most all of Saints records including the one\'s at QB and the one playoff win is better then any other NO coach has ever done. This team is alot better since haz has been the coach and everyone wants to fire him, whats up with that.

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

The team was better when Mueller was at the top .

The Saints as a team have done better when there is a strong GM at the top seat .Hasbeen is a below average coach , who has never coached in a Super Bowl , who has been lucky to ride the skirt tails of Muellers work for a few seasons .Finks certainly put a few good teams together for New Orleans and after he left , they started to slide .

Hasbeen vs Saban
 

It seems to me the bigger question is this: What is it with this team, its\' coaching staff and front office, that it insists on trying to reinvent safeties? Or all of their personnel for that matter? They sign Jay Bellamy and play him out of position as a free safety even though he was a strong safety all his years at Seattle. They let Sammy Knight go and have an open competition for SS between Mel Mitchell and Bellamy, Mitchell gets hurt in preseason, Bellamy starts and does a great job. And the Saints are surprised.


They go buy Tebucky Jones, park him at free safety even though his only claim to fame was nickel back in a Super Bowl and they can\'t understand why A) he can\'t tackle, B) he\'s out of position and C) he can\'t pick off a pass. Keep in mind he was a nickel back in the Super Bowl. He wasn\'t even a starter with the Patriots defense. Keep in mind Blake\'s Law: \"Speed\'s a great thing but the problem with it is it can get you to the wrong place sooner.\"


With all due respect to Jim Haslett, I think Nick Saban probably has a better grasp on how to get the most out of Jones. Jones was an awful open field tackler with the Saints. So what did the Saints coaches do? They left him out there to die. Haslet and Ventura\'s problem is they have a defensive scheme and rather than get players that will fit into that scheme, they get players whose strengths don\'t fit well with it and force them to adapt. Then they wonder why it happened. And then Haslett runs his mouth in the media.


A perfect example is McKenzie. Everybody that knows anything about football knew this guy was a \"man\"coverage corner. So what do the Saints do? They try to turn him into a zone guy. He ends up actually telling them he\'s better at \"man\", they make him a \"man\" corner and he and the defense is immediately better to the point where they win their last four games and make a playoff run.


Why does this happen? Why didn\'t they know this beforehand? Because we\'ve got two pig-headed buffoons in charge of the defense who obviously don\'t have a clue. Their ability to evaluate talent is suspect at best. Sure, they get it right some of the time. The problem is that\'s not good enough to win championships. And I\'m afraid not much is gonna change until they do...or they\'re shown the door. And this kind of nonsense is not just apparent on the defensive side of the ball.


But let\'s not kid ourselves. It\'s doubtful Mickey Loomis said, \"Hey, I wanna trade draft choices to New England for Tebucky Jones.\" No, the decision to persue Jones had to come from Haslett.