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SmashMouth 01-16-2017 09:30 PM

CBS 2017 Mock Draft
 
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Reuben Foster, LB, Alabama: Given that the Saints finished last in the NFL against the pass in 2016, adding one of the talented cornerbacks from this year's class would seem like a shoo-in selection. Instead, look for the Saints to go bigger. With remarkable closing speed and the physicality to intimidate, Foster could offer immediate impact ability against both the pass and run.

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frydaddy 01-16-2017 11:14 PM

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I wouldn't hate it. Foster or Anderson, either one would be a good pick I think. Or if by some miracle Barnett falls to us.

halloween 65 01-17-2017 05:26 AM

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I wouldn't hate it either but I would prefer Peppers if he's there at #11.

Seer1 01-17-2017 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 733852)
I wouldn't hate it either but I would prefer Peppers if he's there at #11.

He won't be, but why? We already have some pretty decent safeties and Peppers would have to do some majorly illegal stuff to bulk up to linebacker size. Don't you really think we need help more with pass rush and run defense? Peppers seems like a Randle El type, more of a trick player rather than a legitimate heavy. We're gonna need a bigger player...

Not trying to piss you off, just looking for an interesting discussion.

frydaddy 01-17-2017 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 733856)
He won't be, but why? We already have some pretty decent safeties and Peppers would have to do some majorly illegal stuff to bulk up to linebacker size. Don't you really think we need help more with pass rush and run defense? Peppers seems like a Randle El type, more of a trick player rather than a legitimate heavy. We're gonna need a bigger player...

Not trying to piss you off, just looking for an interesting discussion.

Agreed. Except I think Peppers will be there at 11 and beyond. He doesn't have a true position, no one's sure of where to put him. It was the same deal with Shaq Thompson a couple years ago. People raved and said he was sure to go top 10. He ended up at the bottom of the first and I don't think he was worth a first at all. He's an ok player today, not a game changer.

hagan714 01-17-2017 07:58 AM

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I still find it hard to believe in such a weak overall class of ILB that he will be on the board.

If he is there is no way he is not in the running to be the pick

I believe a seasoned vet maybe a better way to go when running a 43.

But I could accept the learning curve and accept the pick. A pick I would completely understand. fills need with talent.

My number #1 LB for the saints is

Ryan Anderson SLB Alabama 6021 253 4.67 #22 rJr

It would get us out of that freaking 3 safety set.

halloween 65 01-17-2017 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 733856)
He won't be, but why? We already have some pretty decent safeties and Peppers would have to do some majorly illegal stuff to bulk up to linebacker size. Don't you really think we need help more with pass rush and run defense? Peppers seems like a Randle El type, more of a trick player rather than a legitimate heavy. We're gonna need a bigger player...

Not trying to piss you off, just looking for an interesting discussion.

He's able to take on TE and rb.'s out of the backfield easily. I don't think for a minute he can handle a true #1 WR but a #2 ,3, and 4 he could hang with. He's just a vesitile DB. I think he can take alot of pressure off of the lb.'ers if Allen runs the 3 S set and has the speed in base sets and blitzes I'm not saying your wrong because the pass rush was better this season but I feel it needs to improve thats why I would like another NT it's not there yet. I actually thought the 1st 3 rounds of my mock were going to be easy this year but the NT from Washington decided to go back to school. Right now until FA is addressed everything is flexable but looking at last season he would be my first choice. If we can get Carolinas backup MLB in FA Peppers would definitely still be my #1.

halloween 65 01-17-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 733861)
I still find it hard to believe in such a weak overall class of ILB that he will be on the board.

If he is there is no way he is not in the running to be the pick

I believe a seasoned vet maybe a better way to go when running a 43.

But I could accept the learning curve and accept the pick. A pick I would completely understand. fills need with talent.

My number #1 LB for the saints is

Ryan Anderson SLB Alabama 6021 253 4.67 #22 rJr

It would get us out of that freaking 3 safety set.

I'm not a big fan of the 3 S set either but Allen likes it. Leaves us exposed to getting gashed up the middle and the slant kills us. This is exactly the reasoning for another NT and Peppers I'm trying to conform to Allens D. You don't know how hard that is to say.

Seer1 01-17-2017 09:19 AM

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Who is the top NT in the draft this year?

ChrisXVI 01-17-2017 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 733865)
I'm not a big fan of the 3 S set either but Allen likes it. Leaves us exposed to getting gashed up the middle and the slant kills us. This is exactly the reasoning for another NT and Peppers I'm trying to conform to Allens D. You don't know how hard that is to say.

Does he love the 3 safety set or was it a necessity because we had no CB's?

K Major 01-17-2017 10:03 AM

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J Peppers @ #11 ??

I'd rather have a stud DE in Derek Barnett, edge rushing freak in Solomon Thomas, Tak McKinley or Jonathan Allen DE Bama. But to stay on the posters topic, Reuben Foster IMO is the best LB in all of college football. Range ... check. Instincts ... check ... Coverage ability ... check. Football IQ ... check.

RF is the real deal. I'd be elated if the Saints selected him @ 11.

halloween 65 01-17-2017 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 733869)
Who is the top NT in the draft this year?

I'm not sure. I like to see some of the combine stats, mostly the bench and cone shuffle ( quick feet) to be honest, I could care less about 40 time. I like a NT kind of short and heavy with a low center of gravity myself. The bench shows power only but if they can't bench 18 reps at 225 lbs. it tells me 2 things their weak or lazy and I move on.

halloween 65 01-17-2017 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 733872)
Does he love the 3 safety set or was it a necessity because we had no CB's?

Good question?

triman 01-21-2017 11:46 PM

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Rueben foster would be an immediate upgrade. Barnett or Thomas at DE same thing. One of these three and I will be happy.

jeanpierre 01-22-2017 06:13 AM

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Don't like Derek Barnett as a first round pick; he's just another one trick pony...

Can't set the edge consistently as a 4-3 DE, as he's got a lack of length and strength...

Reminds me of a poor man's Dwight Freeney, and I wasn't overly impressed with Freeney...

Freeney struggled against Excellent to Elite Tackles and got his pass rush numbers in bunches...

And has anyone here really looked at Barnett? his body type? Looks like a pear on chicken legs.

And even if Barnett loses that belly before combine, will he keep it off as a pro?

You really want that to be our first round pick at No. 11? No Thanks.

jeanpierre 01-22-2017 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 733872)
Does he love the 3 safety set or was it a necessity because we had no CB's?

Close. We had no linebackers that could cover. Reuben Foster will solve that.

We will learn again what it is to have a 3-down linebacker, if he hopefully falls to us...

My hope is that a new linebackers coach can get Stephone Anthony back on track...

The linebacker play will improve if we can find a coach to have an impact like Aaron Glenn has had on the DBs...

Sarik 01-22-2017 07:04 AM

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Idk, i usually agree with your opinion of pospects JP but i dont see or agree on the "chicken legs"...sure he could always be in better shape but i love the upside of Barnett. Could use some polish just like every draft prospect but i like what i see. He's definitely a top 15 talent IMO. But hey i love the difference of opinions here, helps all of us to go back and take another look, which we'll have plenty of time to do so until draft day.

My top pick for the Saints at #11 is Foster....im pounding the table for him this year! He's one of the best LB's to come out in the last decade IMO.
As far as ceiling/floor prediction, i'll go ahead and say at his best he's a Ray Lewis/Luke Kuechly type of player, Floor=CJ Mosley. I know its bold on the top end but he checks all the major boxes & im not overly concerned with any area of his game. Foster has every trait to be a game changer at the next level & thats exactly what this defense needs, regardless of position. With that said, i think Kiper, CBS & whoever else are crazy to have Him mocked to us at 11. It would require a trade up or the stars to align for us to land him there but boy would i be overjoyed if it happened.

My top prospects at #11 at this time are:
Reuben Foster
Solomon Thomas
Derek Barnett

Big fan of Malik Hooker, Jamal Adams & Jonathan Allen as well but just dont see them being there after 10.

Very interested to see how teams value these players this year. Hopefully theres a couple bone headed picks and a few QBs go top 10.

Sarik 01-22-2017 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 733873)
J Peppers @ #11 ??

I'd rather have a stud DE in Derek Barnett, edge rushing freak in Solomon Thomas, Tak McKinley or Jonathan Allen DE Bama. But to stay on the posters topic, Reuben Foster IMO is the best LB in all of college football. Range ... check. Instincts ... check ... Coverage ability ... check. Football IQ ... check.

RF is the real deal. I'd be elated if the Saints selected him @ 11.

AGREED. Im 100% on board...ability to shed blocks, pursuit, route recognition, tackling=check. Once he diagnosis the play its like he's shot out of a Rocket.

ChrisXVI 01-22-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 734236)
Don't like Derek Barnett as a first round pick; he's just another one trick pony...

I can't really agree or disagree at the moment, but I'd just like to counter by saying our ponies can't do any tricks so that would be an upgrade lol.

Rugby Saint II 01-23-2017 03:14 PM

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Reuben Foster would improve our front seven tremendously. As has been stated he is good in every facet of the game and very explosive at the point of attack. He is an automatic upgrade on day one. If he isn't there then I'm fine with BPA at a position of need.

Crusader 01-23-2017 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarik (Post 734238)
My top pick for the Saints at #11 is Foster....im pounding the table for him this year! He's one of the best LB's to come out in the last decade IMO.

If that is true, what are the chances of him being there at #11?
Its sounds good thou...

K Major 01-23-2017 04:54 PM

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2017 appears to be a good draft to go linebacker, DE/pass rusher or RB.

Rugby Saint II 01-26-2017 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 734445)
2017 appears to be a good draft to go linebacker, DE/pass rusher or RB.

There seems to be conflicting reports on how deep this draft is for LBer's. After the top couple of draft picks the rest of the prospects have several flaws that need to be coached up. Currently we don't have anyone coaching the line backers so I'm not willing to invest our top round pick on a player that is not game ready.

saintsfan1976 01-26-2017 04:25 PM

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Reuben Foster one million, zillion percent.

Anderson a close second.

K Major 01-26-2017 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 734755)
Currently we don't have anyone coaching the line backers so I'm not willing to invest our top round pick on a player that is not game ready.

That's about to change.

jeanpierre 01-26-2017 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 733869)
Who is the top NT in the draft this year?

True Nose Tackle? I'd consider this the pick to make maybe in the second...

No. 44 (R2, 10) DT Eddie Vanderdoes, UCLA; Height: 6’ 3”, Weight: 320 lbs.

halloween 65 01-26-2017 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 734768)
True Nose Tackle? I'd consider this the pick to make maybe in the second...

No. 44 (R2, 10) DT Eddie Vanderdoes, UCLA; Height: 6’ 3”, Weight: 320 lbs.

We need another one to go with Davison. Not enough pressure upfront would be solved and wouldn't have to pay big bucks to Fairley. Crush that middle and it becomes a foot race to the qb. I really hope Ireland is right about Anthony saying his best football is ahead of him. If he can earn his way back to the middle and add Vanderoes, trying to run up the gut would be tuff to do. I still want Peppers in the 1st and adding another OLB wouldn't hurt either.

hagan714 01-26-2017 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 733865)
I'm not a big fan of the 3 S set either but Allen likes it. Leaves us exposed to getting gashed up the middle and the slant kills us. This is exactly the reasoning for another NT and Peppers I'm trying to conform to Allens D. You don't know how hard that is to say.

I do not think it is a favorite formation for DA look at the defenses he ran in Denver and Oakland. I think it was more a forced hand this year. He really had no other options.

hagan714 01-26-2017 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 734768)
True Nose Tackle? I'd consider this the pick to make maybe in the second...

No. 44 (R2, 10) DT Eddie Vanderdoes, UCLA; Height: 6’ 3”, Weight: 320 lbs.

Eddie I have questions about. I see the desire for a pay day as his driving force this year. Started out really slow and really was not that big of a factor,

I would wait day 2

Dalvin Tomlinson DT Alabama 6022 305 5.14 #54 rSr

day 3
Jaleel Johnson DT Iowa 6027 309 5.15 #67 rSr
Ralph Green III DT Indiana 6036 320 5.14 #93 rSr
Josh Toupu DT Colorado 6011 325 5.22 #55 rSr

Round 6-7 fav
Ralph Green III DT Indiana 6036 320 5.14 #93 rSr
HGT.....WGT.....HAND.....ARM.......WING
6033 317.......9........34 1/2.....81 1/2
a lot of ability and offers a good degree of upside potential

halloween 65 01-26-2017 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 734776)
I do not think it is a favorite formation for DA look at the defenses he ran in Denver and Oakland. I think it was more a forced hand this year. He really had no other options.

Might not be hagen but with our cb.'s are made of glass and he has 2 choices, draft and FA to replace what we have now. Our cb.'s need to be upgraded in my opionion. I would love more picks in this cb. heavy draft but unless the front 4 does better it's not helping out any in the middle or secondary. Peppers is a jack of all trades and I would hate to see us pass up on someone the secondary could build their unit around. I think if we don't get him the Ravens will. I think he could step in Vaccarro's spot day 1.

halloween 65 01-26-2017 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 734777)
Eddie I have questions about. I see the desire for a pay day as his driving force this year. Started out really slow and really was not that big of a factor,

I would wait day 2

Dalvin Tomlinson DT Alabama 6022 305 5.14 #54 rSr

day 3
Jaleel Johnson DT Iowa 6027 309 5.15 #67 rSr
Ralph Green III DT Indiana 6036 320 5.14 #93 rSr
Josh Toupu DT Colorado 6011 325 5.22 #55 rSr

Round 6-7 fav
Ralph Green III DT Indiana 6036 320 5.14 #93 rSr
HGT.....WGT.....HAND.....ARM.......WING
6033 317.......9........34 1/2.....81 1/2
a lot of ability and offers a good degree of upside potential
https://youtu.be/h_6Gl4RWwsk

I'm not going to knock any of these guys. Eddie has had an injury and needs to be put under the microscope but if he checks out I would pull the trigger with him in the 2nd. He may well be sitting there when we pick. Still a long way to go before draft day and alot can change with FA signings.

hagan714 01-27-2017 06:16 AM

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if anyone is there in the second or i had to move up to get in with our second is?

Christian McCaffrey RB/WR/KR Stanford 5115 205 4.48 Jr.
Ryan Anderson OLB Alabama 6021 253 4.67 #22 rJr
Ethan Pocic C/OG/OT LSU 6056 309 5.18 Sr #77 Sr

Eddie is no where on my list or any of my rough drafts or scribblings as an option in round 2.

You guys have to sell me on him

K Major 01-27-2017 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 734817)
if anyone is there in the second or i had to move up to get in with our second is?

Christian McCaffrey RB/WR/KR Stanford 5115 205 4.48 Jr.

Just an opinion but Christian could be outstanding at the next level in SP system. I remember a few posters last year were upset when we selected Mr. Thomas in the 2nd instead of drafting a "need". To the naked eye, he looks like a legit version of Reggie Bush. He fills that "satellite" back that many often says we are missing on offense (quickness, lateral movement etc) & also a high football IQ.

I think McCaffrey will be selected higher most mocks suggest. His skills sets will be highly valued by a lot of NFL teams.

jeanpierre 01-27-2017 10:12 AM

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Don't be surprised if Reggie Bush is back in the Black and Gold Fold this season...

jeanpierre 01-27-2017 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 734445)
2017 appears to be a good draft to go linebacker, DE/pass rusher or RB.

And believe it or not, they're alot of second round graded cornerbacks that will be selected in the third round...

Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado & Rasul Douglas, West Virginia come to mind...


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