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Seer1 04-13-2017 09:07 PM

Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games
 
I think it must be Random Night...

jeanpierre 04-13-2017 09:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 744591)
Lsu players suck in the NFL MOST of the time

http://blackandgold.com/u/5271-album...cture1124.jpeg

jeanpierre 04-14-2017 11:01 AM

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An absolute steal if he lasts to the third round...


WillSaints81 04-14-2017 09:52 PM

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I meant I was not able to do any draft breakdown. That will make the draft boring for me because I'm not aware of the talent.

I wish I could do some but I have a essay to write and that's not including a whole chapter I have to read on the Holocaust(Hitler)?

I'll see if I can catch up but I'm already gonna fail this latest test(I now know college is not about waiting on your professor you have to know what to do based on the schedule).

Seer1 04-14-2017 11:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 744687)
I meant I was not able to do any draft breakdown. That will make the draft boring for me because I'm not aware of the talent.

I wish I could do some but I have a essay to write and that's not including a whole chapter I have to read on the Holocaust(Hitler)?

I'll see if I can catch up but I'm already gonna fail this latest test(I now know college is not about waiting on your professor you have to know what to do based on the schedule).

Remember kid, as you write your essays, don't write'em like you're on the Black&Gold forum.
1. Don't assume anybody already has the slightest clue as to what you're talking about. Actually explain as you go.
2. Stay on topic. Don't go bird walking around all over. Especially in the same sentence.
3. I'm noticing your punctuation is getting better. Keep working on it!
Hey, I teach this **** for a living (along with wood working, computers and some other stuff -very small school district).

jeanpierre 04-16-2017 07:51 AM

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jeanpierre 04-17-2017 06:18 AM

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Pierre Thomas was shifty...


WillSaints81 04-17-2017 11:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 744693)
Remember kid, as you write your essays, don't write'em like you're on the Black&Gold forum.
1. Don't assume anybody already has the slightest clue as to what you're talking about. Actually explain as you go.
2. Stay on topic. Don't go bird walking around all over. Especially in the same sentence.
3. I'm noticing your punctuation is getting better. Keep working on it!
Hey, I teach this **** for a living (along with wood working, computers and some other stuff -very small school district).

First off I'm not a kid. Second, this is a message board. I post what I feel comfortable with.

WillSaints81 04-18-2017 01:08 AM

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Defensive end
I have looked at three here based on top positioning in the combine drills I consider most important.........40 time, bench press, vertical and broad jumps.

I then look at the averages of these tops and rank accordingly.

40 Time
1.Jordan Willis, Kansas State
Jordan was the only one to have a 40 time under 4.60. Now here is a game tape

I wouldn't say this looked too good. As one of his critiques is he takes off too quick.

Bench Press
Carl Lawson, Auburn
Lawson had the highest bench reps at 35 and one of three over 30. Here is a game tape
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=6zybapWALio

His tape looked better than Willis, given he was often blocked by Clemson's o-line.

Verical and Broad Jumps
The same person have both these distinctions and who else is it? From A&M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=YKETsLN1ECQ
His vertical jump is the only one to go past 40 inches and he's one of three with 127. His tape is by far the best of the three.

Garrett happens to be in the top four in all four. Leading the jumps, 4th at 40 time with 4.64, second in bench press with 33.

Willis, however, is right behind Garrett in the vertical jump with 39.00. He is in the top five in broad jumps at 123. His weakness is bench press where he's pressed 24 in 10th place.

Lawson's great at one thing, benching. But his 40 time(4.67), his vertical jump(33 inches), and broad jump is 113, our of the 120 threshhold, are average or worst.

I could see saints waiting until the second round to address DE if Garrett is gone where Willis will be available.

1.Myles Garrett
2.Jordan Willis
3.Carl Lawson(undraftable)

I will look at the other two highly ranked DEs tomorrow.

jeanpierre 04-18-2017 03:46 AM

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Seer1 04-18-2017 07:18 AM

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We absolutely must not draft a lineman with a less than average broad jump!


Wait, what?

jeanpierre 04-18-2017 10:57 AM

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Didn't have time for extended visit? Hmmm...


WillSaints81 04-18-2017 12:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 744990)
We absolutely must not draft a lineman with a less than average broad jump!


Wait, what?

Who said that's important alone. However, excelling in at least half or doing well in three of the four goes a long way. There is nothing on cones and shuttles, and I didn't think arm and hand size is that big of a deal, not to us at least so I did not factor those.

Regardless, Lawson is a distant 4.67 from Willis's 4.53. If speed is important(and for a DE it has to be), then it's best to get Willis if not Garrett or one of the other highly ranked DEs in round 1.

I will be comparing Lawson to the other two DEs. There is also one other DE who hasn't been top in any one thing but has been among the top five in three of four and top seven in the other(just four reps off): Derek Rivers. So I may look at him too.

hagan714 04-18-2017 02:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 745010)
Didn't have time for extended visit? Hmmm...

https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/stat...55353143783424

I like Garret Bolles a lot but not at 11

load up on 7/UDFA

Aviante Collins, OG/OT TCU 6042 295 4.81 #69 rSr
Storm Norton, OT, Toledo 6075 308 5.18 #74 rSr
Senior Justin OT Mississippi State 6045 322 5.17 #58 rSr
Avery Gennesy OT/OG Texas A&M 6045 305 5.08 #65
Sean Harlow OG/OT/C Oregon State 6041 310 5.17 #77 Sr
Daniel Brunskill OT/TE/ILB San Diego State 6051 270 4.88 rSr #71
Steven Moore ROT/LOT California 6052 305 5.31 #64 rSr

Aviante Collins OG TCU 6042 295 4.81 #69 rSr
Jessamen Dunker OG Tenn St 6042 318 4.98 #66 rSr
Gavin Andrews OG/C Oregon St. 6047 339 5.25 #62 rSr

Seer1 04-18-2017 03:42 PM

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Storm Norton, now there's a name for a lineman!

WillSaints81 04-18-2017 06:55 PM

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For the three other guys slated for round 1............
Solomon Thomas, Stanford
Derek Barnett, Tennessee
Taco Charlton, Michigan

I will get to the clips afterward, here are the four drill ranks

40 time
Solomon Thomas is only listed on the front page at CBS.com's rankings. He is at 4.69. On the second page, Barnett is at 4.88 and Charlton at 4.92.

Bench Reps
Thomas again is the highest. He is tied with Rivers at third with 30 reps. Charlton is sixth with 25. Barnett did not participate.

Vertical Jump
Thomas, again, highest, with 35 inches at fourth. Charlton is 8th with 33 and Barnett is 16th with 31.

Broad Jump
Thomas is fourth with 125 inches. Barnett and Charlton 12th and 15th respectively with 116 and 115 inches each.

Comparing Thomas to Willis
Willis leads Thomas by a bit in the 40 times, trails him by 6 reps, leads by four inches in the vertical jump and trails by one inch in the broad jump. The advantage to Thomas is the bench reps and the advantage to Willis is the 40 time. Willis has had the better combine.

Now, comparing Thomas to Derek Rivers, Youngstown State
Rivers tied him in two(vertical jump and bench reps), leads in the 40 time by .8 seconds and trails in the broad jump by 2 inches. With the broad least of these four, Rivers also has the better combine and can be had in round 3 possibly.

Willis vs.Thomas
Willis .8 himself in the 40 time, trails by six reps in the bench, leads by 4 inches in the vertical jump, and is up one in the broad jump.

Now on to some game tapes
Solomon Thomas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=d44WGObcnaQ

He was overshadowed by better defensive players. And often when he got to the qb the qb got out of the pocket. I don't know if he's a solution opposite Jordan to try to contain Newton and Bridgewater, the two read-option QBs on our schedule.

Derek Barnett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...e=8&v=tEDD4bmY
Even worse, his best play came at the last possession stand in the fourth when he knocked the ball away. He also has let the QBs get away. And the QB was still able to connect on plays where he was rattled(this is a message to our team that defense isn't gonna win everything especially with athletic QBs.).

Taco Charlton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=SLWezZ1wS-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=8tDyvspf4O0

In the first tape he looked great. But because he was playing Rutgers, I had to watch another one, against PSU, where he did not look as great. He was even taken out near the end of the game. He did not have the glaring errors the other two had such as letting the qb escape the pocket. PSU's o-line really kept him at bay.

Now, on to Rivers
For someone from a division II school he did just as well as these others against West Virginia. And the fact that he's popping up at the combines has to give him some merit. His draft stock is low because of his school. But he appears to be dedicated, which is why he could be someone the saints are looking at in the third or fourth round.

1.Willis
2.Thomas
3.Rivers
4.Charlton
5.Barnett

Next step is seeing who the saints privately worked out and what their impressions were among DEs.

WillSaints81 04-23-2017 07:50 PM

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And out of those DEs, only Willis had a informal visit with the saints.

WillSaints81 04-24-2017 12:12 AM

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Since there are only four SSs ranked in the first two rounds I will only look at those four first. Then, I will address the potential late gems.
Jamal Adams
Jabrill Peppers
Obi Melifonwu
Josh Jones.

40 yard
Obu Melifonwu, Conn, had a time of 4.41. Josh Jones, NCSU, had a 4.42, and Peppers, Michigan a 4.46. All three were in the top five with Melifonwu and Jones the top two. Adams, LSU, had a 4.56. With the times too close, I will present a clip of Melifonwu and Jones each...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=0x3Nb2UXqx8

What I noticed is Obi is a wait and reactionary player. He waits to see where the ball is going and moves in to tackle. This is what Vacarro does so I don't know if this is what we need but you can never have just one legit strong safety.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=MHUt0Wq-3pI
I will not include Notre Dame because he was virtually avoided in that one. In this he didn't appear to have many opportunities because he was surrounded by other playmakers. There was one play where he was not quick enough to keep a player out of the endzone, but he was outracing his teammates and barely missed the tackle before the score. Then, he intercepts a pass later and returns it for a good amount of yards. So unlike Melifonwu, Jones makes an attempt to go after the ball. However, which is more important? Getting turnovers or making tackles? Of course I vote turnovers but it's about what this FO wants really and I think they want tackles.

Bench reps
Jones had 20, Peppers 19, Adams 18, and Obi 17. All are within a range of four and in the top seven. Jones and Peppers were the top two. Here is a clip of Peppers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=AX56E0PkReQ

This is the worst of the three so far. He does not wait to see where the ball is going, he tries to go after the qb, moves around a bit and his lack of patience leads to him not making better tackles. He started this game off with a near bang though by playing some special teams and making a near return TD. But again, he lacks patience.

I will have to pick up tomorrow where I leave off with Adams because its bed time.

hagan714 04-24-2017 04:16 AM

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SS Jamal Adams
SS Jabrill Peppers
SS Obi Melifonwu
SS Josh Jones.

No FS?

jeanpierre 04-24-2017 02:20 PM

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ChrisXVI 04-24-2017 03:34 PM

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I haven't seen us connected to this player yet...

Safety Marcus Maye is another Florida Gator likely to be selected earlier than most project.

The senior had a great visit with the Dallas Cowboys last week and is receiving a ton of interest from the New Orleans Saints and Arizona Cardinals. The other team showing big interest in Maye is the New England Patriots.


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hagan714 04-24-2017 05:22 PM

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Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr

I like this kid. He is turn over machine. sure tackler to boot

WillSaints81 04-24-2017 06:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 745671)
SS Jamal Adams
SS Jabrill Peppers
SS Obi Melifonwu
SS Josh Jones.

No FS?

No I will get to that at some point. I am addressing SSs for now.

WillSaints81 04-24-2017 07:11 PM

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Finishing up SS

So I have given the 40 time and the bench reps

Cone
Only Adams participated among the four with a time of 6.96, which was fourth out of seven.

Shuttle
Adams was first with 4.13. Again, the other three did not participate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=f8Rr5xX3TNE

He left a lot to be desired. He was not good in coverage and got burned on several plays. He did force one fumble and recovered it, so he can tackle well but I don't see the patience of Obi.

Vertical Jump
Menifonwu, Jones, and Peppers were all in the top three. Adams way down the list. Menifonwu was the only one above 40 inches at 44.00. Jones was at 37.50 and Pepper at 35.50. Adams was at 31.50.

Broad
Again, same top three same order. Menifonwu has a broad jump of 140 inches. Jones at 132 and Peppers at 127, indicating only Obi could jump 140. Adams was ninth at 120.

The bench reps may be the weakness but Obi Menifonwu is clearly in front here based on the tape and on the combine. Jones, because of the int return, gets second. I think Peppers rounds out the top three here. Adams combine left a lot to be desired and his tape showed he was clearly fourth. The FO could wait until the second round to address this as it clearly will not be BPA in round 1 as those up for round 1 are third and fourth.

1.Obi Menifonwu
2.Josh Jones
3.Jabrill Peppers
4.Jamal Adams

Next there is a hidden gem. One that is standing out in combine numbers and going in round 3 or later.

WillSaints81 04-24-2017 08:09 PM

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Those two are Montae Nicholson, Michigan State and Xavier Woods, Louisiana Tech.

Nicholson's 40 time and vertical puts him ahead of Woods here. Woods excelled primarily in the broad jump. Nicholson did not participate in bench reps.

Nicholson has no videos available for DB.

As for Woods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=OwBLndqbYZA
He gets major points for getting that interception. He appears to not be afraid to battle with the receivers but after those early plays he was more of a read and react and he was on a Sun Belt team so his tackles came too late often. He lacks speed but for a third rounder he may be worth the development into something decent.

Comparing Nicholson to Menifonwu
In the 40 times, Nicholson trailed by just .02 seconds in fourth.
In the vertical, Nicholson trailed by 9 inches in fourth
In the broad, Nicholson trailed by 16 inches.

It is clear Menifonwu is the clear frontrunner

Comparing Nicholson to Jones
In the 40 time, Nicholson trailed by .01 seconds
In the vertical, Nicholson trailed by 2.50 inches
In the broad, Nicholson trailed by 8 inches.

Jones is second clearly.

Comparing Nicholson to Peppers
In the 50 time, Nicholson led Peppers by .06 seconds.
In the vertical, Nicholson trailed by .50 inches
In the broad, Nicholson trailed by 3 inches.

The stats are too close here, so I think jumps outweigh the speed here.

Now, comparing Nicholson to Adams
In the 40 time, Nicholson leads big by .14 seconds(4.42).
In the vertical, Nicholson leads by 3.5 inches(35.00).
In the broad, Nicholson leads by 4 inches(124).

Nicholson slots in fourth.

Comparing Woods to Adams
In the 40 time, Woods leads by .02 seconds(4.54)
In the bench reps, Woods leads by 1.(19)
In the cones, Woods is first overall with a staggering .24 ahead of Adams.(4.72)
In the shuttle, it is a tie for first place between the two.(4.13)
In the vertical, Woods leads by 2.50(33.50)
In the broad, Woods leads by 2(122)

Adams had a very bad combine.

Woods can be gotten in the third round, but Nicholson can be gotten in fourth or fifth.

4.Montae Nicholson
5.Xavier Woods
6.Jamal Adams

CB is next.

Seer1 04-24-2017 10:41 PM

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You're shootin' my draft list to **** with all these poor broad jumps!

Are they somehow related to the end zone celebrations?

ChrisXVI 04-25-2017 12:25 PM

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Rumors starting to swirl about CB Gareon Conley being accused of rape by a woman in Cleveland.

TMZ

WillSaints81 04-25-2017 05:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 745847)
You're shootin' my draft list to **** with all these poor broad jumps!

Are they somehow related to the end zone celebrations?


It's part of the combine.

AsylumGuido 04-25-2017 05:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 745959)
It's part of the combine.

So is asking what kind of tree would you be if you were a tree.

:rolleyes:

voodooido 04-25-2017 05:31 PM

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Anyone look T the cb Douglas from WV? 6'3", 203 pounds. He had 8 Ints, 70 tackles and 4 for a loss. That's amazing size and stats. Projected for rd 3.

Seer1 04-25-2017 05:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 745969)
So is asking what kind of tree would you be if you were a tree.

:rolleyes:

You just made beer come out of my nose!

Utah_Saint 04-25-2017 07:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 745984)
You just made beer come out of my nose!

You may have found your new quote.

jeanpierre 11-30-2017 11:23 AM

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Jeff Ireland hit as many homeruns as an Astros' Playoff Game...



And there's also Anzalone and Al...

K Major 11-30-2017 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 779531)
Jeff Ireland hit as many homeruns as an Astros' Playoff Game...

And there's also Anzalone and Al...

Gotta hope this kid can stay healthy next camp & subsequent 2018 season.

Rugby Saint II 11-30-2017 12:24 PM

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Sign Ireland to another long term lucrative contract. That man has single handedly turned this team around!

K Major 11-30-2017 12:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 779545)
Sign Ireland to another long term lucrative contract. That man has single handedly turned this team around!

Source: Saints extend assistant GM Jeff Ireland's contract | Saints | theadvocate.com

jeanpierre 12-01-2017 06:44 PM

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On another thread, if teams come calling for Ireland, kick Lauscha to the curb, promote or whatever with Loomis...

...and make Ireland GM - do not let him get out of the house!!!

jeanpierre 12-03-2017 12:10 AM

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PFF retweeted this again, and we should expect more success like this from NFL teams; it just goes to show how nepotism and incompetence is accepted so long as you're a good yes man in the NFL...


K Major 12-12-2017 08:09 AM

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Keep an eye on ....

Roquan Smith - ILB Georgia (comparisons include Debo Jones and Lavonte David).
Projected Round (2018): 1-2.

K Major 02-06-2018 09:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 781906)
Keep an eye on ....

Roquan Smith - ILB Georgia (comparisons include Debo Jones and Lavonte David).
Projected Round (2018): 1-2.

Edit : no way RSmith slides to the 2nd round. No way. Very few weaknesses in his game. His stock is way up.


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