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What are ya'll thoughts on us getting back to Mickey and Sean's wild streak of moving around in the draft?
What's Jeff Ireland's tendencies before getting hired in the Big Easy and will it override the regimes willingness to stay or move?
I'm thinking the potential is high this year for a Shocker..

"Angry Mark" seemed to reach his prime running with wreckless abandon and was arguably the healthiest he's been since being drafted lost his cool,and so did Brandin Cooks this past season.
Will the organization make an example of them to show its a team first philosophy in Nawlins' and trade them away?

I think I can see the daylight right around the corner and our team on the verge of hitting a powerful stride in 2017.Do we lose one of our proven playmakers in this upcoming draft to gain profit in a defensive laden draft...

The potential of a still unknown Lasco could emerge to make Ingram expendable who knows...

Thoughts?

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Who will want to jump ahead of Cleveland at 12
Top WR on the board? Second rated QB? Top rated CB? Who falls from the top 10? Jabrill Peppers?

1st 11 = 1250 to Phili pick 14
1st 14 = 1100
3rd 74 = 220

* Phili will probably be looking to trade A LB lost on their new system.

Mychal Kendricks MLB/OLB 5111 250 4.56
He has unreal athletic ability and the potential is there.

Kendricks is a solid blitzing linebacker. In his first 3 years Kendricks at ILB was one of three NFL linebackers with at least 8.0 sacks, three interceptions and five forced fumbles. He earned that 5year, $30 million contract. 2015 Kiko Alonso arrives and he bounce to OLB. Did so so in 2015 and managed to be 14 ranked as a 43OLB.

2016 Bye bye Chip Kelly and hello to Jim Schwartz who rarely blitzes. Thus he has become a bit of a cap head ache, so he does not carry the trade value he normally would. He is one of the last of the "Kelly" players left that just does not fit in. I bet he would rework that contract (Signed a 5year, $30 million in 2014) to get out of town to start again for an attacking defense in which he fits. Will DA entertain the idea to fit his attacking nature? Will Kendricks rework that deal?

Mychal Kendricks MLB/OLB 5111 250 4.56
1st 14 = 1100
4th 105 = 84

OR

1st 11 = 1250 to Tenn pick 18
1st 18 = 900
3rd 81 = 185
3rd 83 = 175
4th 116 = 62

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Getting back to the wild streak of moving around? We traded up twice last year... That's how they've always been.

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What are the saints going to do with Stephone Anthony?

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I should've been more specific here.
I'm questioning to whether or not we go all out in the first with either moving up or back in the 1st landing something Big throwing in one of our own.

We stayed put last year.I think we go aggressive this year in the first rd. shaking it up.

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If you listen to Jeff Ireland, keep him and have him get better.

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Go all out? Pull a Ditka? top 3?

Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
Jonathan Allen , DE, Alabama

Stephone Anthony added to soften the blow? Bell? Byrd? LMAO could not help myself

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Lol Oh yea I'd think pretty hard about throwing in one of them.
Jury's still out I think on all 3 of them.

Byrd Finally healthy flashed for a couple of plays reminiscent of his Buffalo days.
Bell is promising I think if he doesn't take "byrd-like" angles.He did prove he's not scared to tackle if he's actually in on the play which was a supposed knock on him.

I'm still pulling for Stephone after what he showed his rookie year as far as being a playmaker.
Maybe with Vitt gone the light may come on.maybe not lol

I'm going look into that linebacker you mentioned.

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If someone would really want to shake things up ,move Vaccarro and Armstead. There are stout 2 FA we could pusuit for the O-line and Peat could slide to LT, but both Vaccarro and Armstead have good trade value.

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Wow that would rattle some cages. Peat move would make think blocking TE and RB upgrades right off the bat.
Vaccarro while he not a traditional player has proven his worth.

I am pondering this one

Speaking of pondering, Stephone Anthony might be able to pull off being a DE on passing downs. We have had smaller. i am still in the Anthony corner.

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Possible trades, moves this offseason?

Mark Ingram isn't going anywhere unless Payton takes Dalvin Cook or Leonard Fournette, and even then, in today's NFL, and if we and they learned anything from the Seattle Quakebowl, you've got to have two running backs...Ingram isn't going anywhere unless he has a meltdown, he's playing out his contract...

Reality is we have two superior left tackles in Terron Armstead and Andrus Peat; Andrus Peat proved he's a terrific left tackle and really good left guard; Armstead has terrific value, when healthy; with several superior guard free agents, we could get a No. 1 for Armstead, but it'd be easier to sign a Right Guard (Kevin Zeitler) and draft another tackle. But the Saints front office could make a Real Jedi Move by moving Armstead for a first round pick (e,g, San Diego, Denver, Houston, and Seattle) and signing both RG Kevin Zeitler and LG Andrew Norwell and spreading the cap savings along the entire offensive line...

Moving SS Kenny Vaccaro might be possible; he's always been considered to have a high ceiling in the league, even if he hasn't produced consistently as hoped and with Jabril Peppers likely to play SS in the NFL and still in our current draft range in round 1, that's certainly a possibility...

Let me say it'd be completely asinine to trade Bradin Cooks, but the one doubt about his future in my mind could be the public airing of his grievances about his touches may not have sat well; the same behaviour got Stills traded, but this is Cooks and though Payton claims all players are equal, this is the NFL and even the Saints know the rules don't apply equally to all players because some players are more equal than others; Cooks value would never be higher and he's got a rookie option year coming up...

Hau'oli Kikaha and Stephone Anthony are two other possibilities; they are better fits as 3-4 linebackers; problem is, both are coming off of injured reserve and they haven't gotten off to great starts (but saavy teams no it's because the Saints stink at defense and using talent on defense); one of 'em could be packaged with our first to move up to say No. 5 or with our second round pick to move into the back of the first (which would be my preference); If I had my choice, I keep and coach up Anthony who I feel just needs a really good coach (calling Dr. Nolan?) and he could be just as good in D.A.'s 4-3, and I trade Kikaha who's doesn't have the frame to play 4-3 end nor the speed to cover as a 4-3 OLB; he's a 3-4 rush linebacker and teams like the Steelers, Broncos, et al would welcome someone with his skill set...

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I'm not sure Hagan, Peat filled in fine with Armstead hurt. We need another TE anyway, Fleener stinks. With another NT crushing the middle gets easier and helps the DE's out in return, I put Anthony back in the middle and draft an OLB. I don't think we get 5 games out of Kiki and wouldn't mind Kruger getting another 1 year deal. If we have to be weak I would rather it be on that end side where they have to deal with Ellerbe if the DE misses out.

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With a 1st for Armsted and late 2nd or early 3rd for Vaccarro I think we could add some really good players on both side of the ball.

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How many picks do we have this draft? Subtract 2 for moving up to select players who have past injuries and will never really get off the ground.

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Sign a FA guard and use the draft on defense.
Again, we had the top offense in 2016, and were 2nd in 2015. We were 6th best in sacks allowed.
Other than some depth on the line (and long term answers) what do we really need on offense?
With the number of quality defenders available, I'd rather see us get an extra pick by trading back to 16 or 17

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We currently have all our expected picks, except for a fifth round pick...

No. 11 (R1, 11)
No. 44 (R2, 10)
No. 74 (R3, 12)
No. 109 (R4, 11)
No. 150 (R5, 12) Traded to WAS in 2016
No. 185 (R6, 10)
No. 233 (R7, 11)

Notes:

The fourth through seventh rounds are estimated because the compensatory picks have yet to be assigned, based selection on our slot on last year's assignments...

Seattle is facing further discipline for not disclosing Sherman's injuries this season and their current penalty pick may be elevated to a second round pick...

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What trade value chart do you use for reference?

Just curious as I use DraftTek for reference...

2016 NFL Draft Trade Value Chart

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I see a cross over from an older scribbling I did for point values. I did not change them for the final list.

I was sloppy. Should have gone straight up without comp picks because as you said comp picks has not been officially finalized. or have they? lol

My points are with comp picks. Though I did not look at those picks for trade options because i actually forgot you can trade them this year. Makes letting players walk more tempting now. Drafttek does not have comp picks figured in.

This is not a final list for comp picks nor has it been finalized by any sense of the word. Best guess. so take it with a grain of salt. enough disclaimers? :)

Round 3
97 Denver
98 Miami
99 Carolina
100 Baltimore
101 Tennessee
102 Denver
103 New England
104 Kansas City
105 Seattle

Round 4
138 NY Jets
139 Cincinnati
140 Philadelphia
141 LA Rams
142 Cleveland
143 Indianapolis
144 San Francisco
145 Cincinnati
146 Denver

Round 5
178 Miami
179 Arizona
180 Kansas City
181 Cleveland
182 Green Bay
183 Pittsburgh
184 New England
185 Seattle

Round 6
217 Kansas City
218 Cincinnati
219 Kansas City
220 LA Rams
221 Cincinnati

Round 7
I have not gone here yet

Kinda changes the power brokers in the draft. Roger once again adds excitement at what risk? time will tell

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I sort of like what they did last draft. They seemed to address or get pics on every level of O and D... keep young blood flowing on those levels that way.

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Agree that addressing every level is important, but I didn't like what they did spending two picks for one pick; rather'd stay disciplined and let what may fall, fall to us...

Don't mind being aggressive for a great player, but d*mn, seemed like we wasted some picks...

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I don't get it. We finally get some decent OL guys and now we should trade them????????

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and I'll address it now, but it will come up 122 more times. Comp picks are objective, not subjective. They are granted based on an algorithm, not Goddell's whims.
Oh, and we will won't be getting any this year:
+ Fleener, Robertson, Fairley
- Bush and Watson.

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As long as the Saints draft "The Kid"!

Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall tackles in a single bound!
Look, up on the board! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's The Kid!
Yes, it's The Kid, strange visitor from another college, who came to New Orleans with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal players. The Kid, who can change the course of mighty offenses/defenses, bend goal posts with his bare hands, and who, disguised as the Saints #1 draft choice, fights a never-ending battle for truth, justice and the Who-Dat way!!!

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Don't confuse me with facts. We all know that Godhell sits in a back room smoking a big cigar while making plans to stick it to the Saints......At least I know that's what he's doing.:ubl:

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I had to like this post just for the opportunity to use the dancing Osama gif! Bravo!

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???

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Think the question posed was potential, we really don't have much depth to trade and the question was what are the possible trades and movements...

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Edited to include alternate facts:
We will, in fact, be receiving an unprecedented #1 pick, mainly because we have to watch Ninkovich go to another SB while we suffered through 17 players at the same position

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Lol I should've maybe placed a small wager on this well over a month ago :bng:

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O.J. Howard still is the pick at 11 IMO. Few players come along with the potential to be a sure thing right out of the gate much less have perennial pro bowler type of ability written all over them. A 6055 TE weighing 251 running a 4.57 is scary. Add in the fact he can block?

Screw position. Screw needs. Screw were in the draft you take them. You gotta make the pick.

If cook gets traded and Byrd is shown the door

- 18 Christian McCaffrey - The Bush/Sproles play book is back in effect

- Pierre Garcon in FA, on a short contract, would replace Cooks skills set and give veteran leadership.

A DC's waking cold sweats nightmare, screaming "which way did he go" "which way did he go" "which way did he go"

Defense heavy the rest of the way, in both the draft and FA.

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Nothing. There is no value in him. Late round pick at best. Keep him around another year and see if he finally gets it. If not then that was a complete waste of a pick.

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I will say this with some reservation but I don't think we'll change the linebackers much this year unless we pick one up in FA.

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I am a fan of getting Zietler at guard , AJ Klein at LB, IMHO you have to overpay in free agency and if you overpay you should overpay for elite talent both positions are at lower payscale than CB and DE

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Jeesh Hagan. Two offensive picks in the first round? Whodat Nation will implode!

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With the weapons on the outside, I really don't like committing the first rounder to Howard...

If the Saints FO hasn't learned it's lesson by now to get balance on defense and the means a defensive end, a safety, a cornerback, and a linebacker then we deserve another 7-9 season or worse...

We need a defense and not a speed bump...

We don't have a right guard.

We have one starting defensive end, one!

Right Guard can be fixed easier with Free Agency...

And the Draft is the path to fixing Defensive End as the good ones will be cost prohibitive and what's left will be rotational at best...

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Hearing rumors that the Saints maybe able to trade up to #1.

We could package Cooks #11 and #3rd next year?

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Who the hell is out there worth selling our souls for the #1 pick? I know we've got some new guys in the front office, but with the way we draft? We could as easily pick up a "project" at eleven as we could at number one.

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You guys can relax at the linebacker position that's covered by Adam Bighill

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