article on the saint wideouts

baronm · 03-18-2005, 04:50 PM

The Wide Receivers and Tight Ends
By Brian Ethridge
Date: Mar 17, 2005

The New Orleans Saints threw the ball 542 times last year, the reason they can afford to throw that much is their talented group of wide receivers and tight ends. SaintsInsider.com tells you what you can expect to see from the group in 2005.

The Saints have an explosive group of receivers including veteran Joe Horn who is arguably the most underrated wide receiver in the NFL. Horn had 94 receptions last year for 1399 yards and 11 touchdowns. He was 2nd in overall receiving yards, just 7 yards shy of leading the NFL. Unfortunately Horn 33 years old, but Saints fans are hoping he doesn't show any signs of aging.
Across from Horn will be the disappointing Donte' Stallworth. Drafted in the 1st round of the 2002 draft, Stallworth has never lived up to his potential due to injuries and dropping passes. However he is only 24 years old and did show signs of improvement last year with 767 yards. If Stallworth can stay healthy and become consistent he has the potential to be one of the elite receivers in the NFL.
Since Jerome Pathon was released there will be a battle for the #3 receiver spot between Michael Lewis, Talman Gardner, and Devery Henderson. Lewis, the dangerous kick and punt returner, had 8 receptions last year for 127 yards. Gardner had just one reception for 23 yards but he is talented and could be productive if handed the opportunity. Henderson was drafted in the 2nd round last year and had no catches during his rookie season. He has the potential to become a star in the NFL and barring injury he will see the field in 2005.

Jim Haslett and Co. will have to figure out who is the best of an average group of tight ends. Boo Williams led the group last year with 362 yards and 5 touchdowns. Ernie Conwell had 102 yards with 1 touchdown. The Saints also signed free agent Shad Meier who caught a career high 25 passes for 127 yards and 2 touchdowns last year for the Tennessee Titans. Williams is talented but still needs to improve his blocking and become a bigger threat in the passing game. Conwell is the best blocker of the group but isn't a big receiving threat. Meier is an all around solid tight end but has to prove he can be the #1 guy.
Projected 2005 Wide Receivers and Tight Ends

RWR: Joe Horn
LWR: Donte' Stallworth
#3 WR: Devery Henderson
TE: Boo Williams
#2 TE: Shad Meier

Coming soon a detailed breakdown of the Quarterbacks and Running Backs

my prognosis-we throw the ball too much for what we get out of those passing yards...2nd overall in receiving yards-add up to what in terms of turning those yards into td's?

true-he helps brooks keep a job by turning bad throws into positive yards...but at thirty four--how much longer can he do this? he IS NOT jerry rice....the other wideouts must step up.

papz · 03-18-2005, 05:02 PM

Good read, nice find.

Who cares who our receivers are! Deuce is going to rush for 2,000 yards next year.

:band2.sml:

shadowdrinker · 03-18-2005, 05:07 PM

Yeah..That\'s true...(about the WR\'s stepping up and all)

I really don\'t know what to think, or how to feel about the Horn debate..

On one hand, He\'s been a savior to this team...He has openly celebrated this team to the fans and Media...he has given us all reason to cheer time and time again..if not in other\'s minds, He will forever be a Legend in mine..

On the other hand..34...I can\'t ignore it..I have tried to make some sort of shift of reason, saying If he could do it then, He can do it now...But..I really don\'t even know how much I believe it myself...Plus now the fact of the contract that needs to be signed...it\'s just too much risk...really, it is.

You will never hear me say, or see me write that Horn should be released, traded or whatever....

But, ..I would understand if it were to happen...

And I\'ll just leave it at that.

[Edited on 19/3/2005 by shadowdrinker]

WhoDat · 03-18-2005, 06:31 PM

1) Joe Horn is 33 and will be for ALL of the 2005 season... just to clarify.

2) \"Joe Horn who is arguably the most underrated wide receiver in the NFL.\" - I think Saint fans alone make this true.

GumboBC · 03-19-2005, 08:04 AM

If I\'m honest with myself, I can\'t really say the receivers on the Saints are an elite group. You\'ve got Joe Horn, who is very productive, but lacks the skills of some of the elite receivers. For my money, I prefer a number1 receiver who can take a short pass and turn it into a long gain. But, that\'s just me. Joe is a gutsy WR who makes some tough catches, but he\'s really not much of a threat after he catches the ball. Is that knocking Joe?

Then you\'ve got Donte\' Stallworth, who can take any pass and score, but is inconsistent as hell. But, he is improving.

Now, as it stands, our #3 receiver is going to be a complete unknown as far as production goes. However, Henderson looks promising as a number 3 guy.

As far as tightends go ... I\'m not impressed with Boo. In fact, I\'m not impressed with any of our TEs. This is one area that could definately be upgraded.

I could sit here and say our receiving group is one of the most talented in the NFL. But, all I can say is that they are some of the fastest. Hey, the more speed the better, but most of our receivers need a lot of improvement.

Oh yeah ... Deuce McAllister needs to improve on his receiving skills as well as his pass blocking.

When you look at our receivers, Joe Horn is the only guy you can count on. Not Stallworth, not Devery, not Boo, not Cowell, not ANYBODY but Joe Horn. That\'s why I\'m in favor of Joe coming back. But NOT if we have to pay him top 5 money. That\'s just WRONG. No matter if Joe is the best receiver on this team or not.

[Edited on 19/3/2005 by GumboBC]

FireVenturi · 03-19-2005, 12:07 PM

Good read, nice find.

Who cares who our receivers are! Deuce is going to rush for 2,000 yards next year. :band2.sml:

If that happens we are no doubt in the playoffs cause it will keep our D(or lack thereof) off the field

JKool · 03-19-2005, 05:04 PM

Does anyone have any feelings about this Ethridge guy? I\'m skeptical of his opinions; he\'s the guy who wrote that piece on our O-Line (posted here a few days ago) that made it seem as though he hadn\'t seen a single game last year. An interesting article either way, I suppose.

spkb25 · 03-19-2005, 06:15 PM

i hear you on the o line article jkool. i dont know what he was talking about either. they werent that solid last year. brroks was running for his life a lot. but i think we need to run more. well if were not down by 20 at half. i think that was the biggest problem we had is that we were out of it so quick last year that we passed a lot. problem is teams knew we were going to pass because we were already to far down to anything else.

03-18-2005, 04:50 PM	#1
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	article on the saint wideouts The Wide Receivers and Tight Ends By Brian Ethridge Date: Mar 17, 2005 The New Orleans Saints threw the ball 542 times last year, the reason they can afford to throw that much is their talented group of wide receivers and tight ends. SaintsInsider.com tells you what you can expect to see from the group in 2005. The Saints have an explosive group of receivers including veteran Joe Horn who is arguably the most underrated wide receiver in the NFL. Horn had 94 receptions last year for 1399 yards and 11 touchdowns. He was 2nd in overall receiving yards, just 7 yards shy of leading the NFL. Unfortunately Horn 33 years old, but Saints fans are hoping he doesn't show any signs of aging. Across from Horn will be the disappointing Donte' Stallworth. Drafted in the 1st round of the 2002 draft, Stallworth has never lived up to his potential due to injuries and dropping passes. However he is only 24 years old and did show signs of improvement last year with 767 yards. If Stallworth can stay healthy and become consistent he has the potential to be one of the elite receivers in the NFL. Since Jerome Pathon was released there will be a battle for the #3 receiver spot between Michael Lewis, Talman Gardner, and Devery Henderson. Lewis, the dangerous kick and punt returner, had 8 receptions last year for 127 yards. Gardner had just one reception for 23 yards but he is talented and could be productive if handed the opportunity. Henderson was drafted in the 2nd round last year and had no catches during his rookie season. He has the potential to become a star in the NFL and barring injury he will see the field in 2005. Jim Haslett and Co. will have to figure out who is the best of an average group of tight ends. Boo Williams led the group last year with 362 yards and 5 touchdowns. Ernie Conwell had 102 yards with 1 touchdown. The Saints also signed free agent Shad Meier who caught a career high 25 passes for 127 yards and 2 touchdowns last year for the Tennessee Titans. Williams is talented but still needs to improve his blocking and become a bigger threat in the passing game. Conwell is the best blocker of the group but isn't a big receiving threat. Meier is an all around solid tight end but has to prove he can be the #1 guy. Projected 2005 Wide Receivers and Tight Ends RWR: Joe Horn LWR: Donte' Stallworth #3 WR: Devery Henderson TE: Boo Williams #2 TE: Shad Meier Coming soon a detailed breakdown of the Quarterbacks and Running Backs my prognosis-we throw the ball too much for what we get out of those passing yards...2nd overall in receiving yards-add up to what in terms of turning those yards into td's? true-he helps brooks keep a job by turning bad throws into positive yards...but at thirty four--how much longer can he do this? he IS NOT jerry rice....the other wideouts must step up.
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03-18-2005, 05:07 PM	#3
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	article on the saint wideouts Yeah..That\'s true...(about the WR\'s stepping up and all) I really don\'t know what to think, or how to feel about the Horn debate.. On one hand, He\'s been a savior to this team...He has openly celebrated this team to the fans and Media...he has given us all reason to cheer time and time again..if not in other\'s minds, He will forever be a Legend in mine.. On the other hand..34...I can\'t ignore it..I have tried to make some sort of shift of reason, saying If he could do it then, He can do it now...But..I really don\'t even know how much I believe it myself...Plus now the fact of the contract that needs to be signed...it\'s just too much risk...really, it is. You will never hear me say, or see me write that Horn should be released, traded or whatever.... But, ..I would understand if it were to happen... And I\'ll just leave it at that. [Edited on 19/3/2005 by shadowdrinker]
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03-18-2005, 06:31 PM	#4
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	article on the saint wideouts 1) Joe Horn is 33 and will be for ALL of the 2005 season... just to clarify. 2) \"Joe Horn who is arguably the most underrated wide receiver in the NFL.\" - I think Saint fans alone make this true.
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03-19-2005, 08:04 AM	#5
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	article on the saint wideouts If I\'m honest with myself, I can\'t really say the receivers on the Saints are an elite group. You\'ve got Joe Horn, who is very productive, but lacks the skills of some of the elite receivers. For my money, I prefer a number1 receiver who can take a short pass and turn it into a long gain. But, that\'s just me. Joe is a gutsy WR who makes some tough catches, but he\'s really not much of a threat after he catches the ball. Is that knocking Joe? Then you\'ve got Donte\' Stallworth, who can take any pass and score, but is inconsistent as hell. But, he is improving. Now, as it stands, our #3 receiver is going to be a complete unknown as far as production goes. However, Henderson looks promising as a number 3 guy. As far as tightends go ... I\'m not impressed with Boo. In fact, I\'m not impressed with any of our TEs. This is one area that could definately be upgraded. I could sit here and say our receiving group is one of the most talented in the NFL. But, all I can say is that they are some of the fastest. Hey, the more speed the better, but most of our receivers need a lot of improvement. Oh yeah ... Deuce McAllister needs to improve on his receiving skills as well as his pass blocking. When you look at our receivers, Joe Horn is the only guy you can count on. Not Stallworth, not Devery, not Boo, not Cowell, not ANYBODY but Joe Horn. That\'s why I\'m in favor of Joe coming back. But NOT if we have to pay him top 5 money. That\'s just WRONG. No matter if Joe is the best receiver on this team or not. [Edited on 19/3/2005 by GumboBC]
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03-19-2005, 12:07 PM	#6
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	article on the saint wideouts Good read, nice find. Who cares who our receivers are! Deuce is going to rush for 2,000 yards next year. :band2.sml: If that happens we are no doubt in the playoffs cause it will keep our D(or lack thereof) off the field

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	article on the saint wideouts Good read, nice find. Who cares who our receivers are! Deuce is going to rush for 2,000 yards next year. :band2.sml:

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JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	article on the saint wideouts Does anyone have any feelings about this Ethridge guy? I\'m skeptical of his opinions; he\'s the guy who wrote that piece on our O-Line (posted here a few days ago) that made it seem as though he hadn\'t seen a single game last year. An interesting article either way, I suppose.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	article on the saint wideouts i hear you on the o line article jkool. i dont know what he was talking about either. they werent that solid last year. brroks was running for his life a lot. but i think we need to run more. well if were not down by 20 at half. i think that was the biggest problem we had is that we were out of it so quick last year that we passed a lot. problem is teams knew we were going to pass because we were already to far down to anything else.