GumboBC

xan --

Look, I respect your opinion on leadership. But, you have yet to answer my questions to a point where you\'ve convinced me that our problem(s) are leadership.

Do me this one favor? FORGET AARON BROOKS. I don\'t think we\'re going to get anywhere using Aaron as a reference point. The subject is too volatile.

Let\'s compare Peyton Manning to Donavan McNabb.

According to you, Peyton is a great leader where McNabb really isn\'t. Peyton has a probowl RB, probowl WR, and pretty much the best supporting cast in the NFL on offense.

Donavan McNabb, on the other hand, hasn\'t had much help on offense the past 4 years. Before Terrell Owens, McNabb had a bunch of cast-offs at WR. And he\'s never had a premeir RB, either.

Yet, under McNabb\'s guidance, the Eagles have had a very potent offense. McNabb has gotten the most out of the talent on offense and has proven time and time again that he can lead his team DEEP in the playoffs.

BUT -- was it really McNabb\'s leadership that got the Eagles to 3-straight NFC championship games and then to the super bolw in 2005?

Accoding to your logic, leadership is vital at the QB position. But, when it comes to McNabb and the Eagles, you say it\'s Andy Reid who provides the leadership.

The only conclusion I can come to by using your logic is that leadership at the QB isn\'t needed so long as it comes from somewhere? In this case, it\'s HC Andy Reid.

It seems to me that you have a preconcieved notion of what leadership is and when you don\'t see exactly what it is you\'re looking for, you start to make excuses for why teams can be successful without it.

Look, I\'m not missing your point. It\'s just that it just doesn\'t add up to me.

I\'ve never heard anyone say Mark Bulger was a great leader. Or Mike Martz.

I\'ve never heard anyone say Mike Vick was a great leader.

Yet, they\'ve alll been successful.

Hey, I have an open mind .. I\'m still listening.