Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

And there you have it, from Mr. Horse's mouth...

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

I agree, if those free agents are the 2nd tier guys that fill holes, not the mega-money types.

That will change when Brees hangs it up. Then we should probably focus more on building cheap through the draft

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

He's wrong IMHO.

In my view compensatory picks are cheaper to pay and arguably increase their value over time. In other words young draft picks generally improve skills over time and become worth higher draft picks if they leave for another team.

We on the other hand sign free agents who eventually lose value (age, injury, delcline in production) and we get nothing for them in return, often times they cost us MORE in dead money.

The teams who draft well, coach well and gain more draft picks are perrinial contendors. We haven't done those things well enough and therefore finish 7-9 in 4 of the last 5 seasons.

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

The Patriots say hello.

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

Look at the teams that have been in the Superbowl the most these past ten-fifteen years and those teams have also had the most compensatory picks...

The more darts you have to throw, the better your chances of hitting - it really is that simple.

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

We miss on average more than half of our draft class in the SP era.

That leads to having to find players in Free Agency, but the players you sign there are like used motors - all they ever do is depreciate in value, you eventually end up releasing them for free or holding onto them for too long and hurting the team.

The fact we've been historically poor in both drafting and free agency has led to three straight losing seasons, if we had 10 picks a year like the Patriots do then we'd be in a much better spot. We rarely have players to trade for high value because we rarely hit big on players in the draft, and when we do, we absolutely can't afford to get rid of them.

The Patriots sent their best LB to cleveland mid season and still won the super bowl.

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

I heard Bill Polian say that most teams historically only have around a third of drafted players ever crack a starting lineup. He said that fan's, and media's, expectations are unreasonably high when it comes to the draft.

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

I disagree with the part of fan expectations and here are a couple of reasons why...

First, the NFL's combine and draft process is flawed - teams should have more access to players, especially with regards to these speed-dating interviews...

Second, those interviews should cover character and film-study in more depth than is currently afforded; scouts should be on the roads, especially ProDays do more in-depth interviews and background work...

Third, especially with respect to Day 1 and Day 2 picks, to completely whiff on players (out of league within two seasons), when you have the financial resources, technical resources, and manpower resources is totally inexcusable...

The fact that Bill Polian made that statement has no weight as he's being nothing more than an apologist for he and his contemporaries who are paid handsomely with resources and not to field competently staffed teams...

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

The combine interviews are only initial meetings between the teams and the players. The teams can, and do, have longer more in-depth interviews at the pro days and at their own facilities.

And I agree that whiffing on Day 1 and 2 picks are bad, but hopefully those days are in the past for the Saints now that Ireland has become involved. The past is just that ... the past.

But the one in three ratio he quoted was supposedly hard factual numbers based upon historical figures.

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

Sign a guy of greater value than the guy you lost and you have a vet for the entire year. OR
lose a guy of greater value and 14 months later you get, at best, pick number 97

seems simple enough

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

now that you can trade those picks it is a whole new ball game and they are more valuable than ever.

By the way you can use both like pats but you need to scout up lower level FA that fit the system. Which the pats do better than any other team in the NFL. This is why so many FA of the Pats are bust else where, system guys. Talk about all the draft picks they use and cut all you want. All the players they refuse to pay and let go. The end up with one of the deepest teams anywhere. They know what they are doing

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

Payton will never get us to that status, not saying he's bad but no one is like the hoodie but everyone wish they were, Payton included.

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

The problem with all this is you have to be right when drafting. You have to get more right then you do wrong. You can have every #1 picks for 100 years in a row and if you pick Manzells and Leaf's. You got nothing really.

There is proof that compensary picks work the problem is that you team has to be a smart team. You got to know how to get them and how to use them. For the past 10 years the teams that get the most compensatory picks have won Super Bowls.

Why? They let the players who who demand big $$$. They are smart and confident they draft to replace that player with a way cheaper younger player.

So essentially Loomis is wrong!!!

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What franchises are better at the draft? This article shows that New Orleans is ranked 12th over the past 20 years.

Legendary? Lousy? How (your team) have fared in the NFL draft

And how good have the Patriots been recently? Not very good at all. They are ranked 24th over the five drafts coming into last year. Yes, the Patriots have lots of picks, but most never crack the roster. They do their damage through free agency.

Ranking from 1-32 the NFL’s best teams at drafting

Re: Saints GM Mickey Loomis values free agency over compensatory picks
 

Very true however the Pats struck "gold" in the 2000 draft with Tom Brady (compensatory pick). I think getting drafted in the 6th round made him work even harder at his craft. 17 years later, GOAT...boy.