Saints move to #1 pick possible?
 

We have all heard about the talk to move Brandin Cooks for the 5th overall pick. What could we get at #5 that would be a game changer? I propose another option. What if the Saints follow up that trade with a move to #1?

The Browns own #1 with Myles Garrett sitting there. But what is their greatest need? A QB. If they were to trade their first pick overall and another later pick this year and/or next year to the Saints for the fifth overall and a first next year they could still be in perfect shape to get that QB.

With that scenario the Saints could take Garrett and make that first rounder next year be very late in the round.

Possible?

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Well we're not getting the #5 pick for Cooks so...

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I think they are targeting a player or two in the top 5. Cooks may be simply a part of a deal to achieve that.

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What has Payton said that the Saints need most? A game changing pass rusher. Why not make move to work up to number one to get Garrett?

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Package Cooks and a mid rounder to acquire #5, then use #5 + #11 to get the Browns #1.

Not likely, but not impossible.

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I suggested a similar scenario, except I would rather keep 5 and 11. Seems to me there are about 5 guys right now who are being viewed as top tier D linemen coming out. While I agree that Garrett looks like the cream of the crop, is there such a significant difference between him and say Jonathan Allen? I could see him slipping to 5. Danno, you know more about him than I do I'm sure, would you rather take Allen and still have another shot at an impact player only a few picks later, or do you go all in for Garrett?

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PICK FIVE WOULD COST 11 AND COOK. THEN WHAT YANK A DITKA ?

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We have too many needs on defense to package Cooks and picks to go up and get Garrett...

There are too many needs across the board for that...

There are pass rushers that aren't far off from Garrett that could be had even if we stood pat and did nothing...

Moving up and combing picks is a big reason why we're perennially 7-9 finishers...

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Not far off ... but could they make that major leap? To have a stud opposite Cam would be huge. It would make the secondary better right away.

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Putting all the eggs in one basket, my friend, is too big a risk; suppose the Aggie busts, gets injured, then that's Cooks AND a number of draft picks all down the hole in just one player...

Sign Calais Campbell, he had 8 SK, 2 FF, 6 PD last season, a proven commodity; then you'd have a truely imposing front four...

And then you have more darts for the draft board and you could have two DE in reserve that are Day 1, Day 2 picks...

These young ones will be coming in behind can rotate wit the starters keeping a fresh pass rush for four quarters...

And we'll be much better long-term salary cap wise and they can learn from the vets and spell them to keep them all fresh...

It's good thinking out of the box, but doing it regularly, this two-for-one crap in the draft is one of the biggest reasons why we can't get over 7-9...

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I would stay at 11 and just pick up more picks for cooks. Have a feeling the Browns are going to trade out or have a surprise pick. LF or a qb imo would go #1 which would push Garrett back further possibly to their pick at 12. The Browns need someone to bring in fans and a qb or LF would do that. Garrett imho is way overrated. He disappeared in big games. Had 0 tackles against LSU and KSU which happen to be his last 2 games. His only good game of the season came against the great UTSA where he had 7 tackles and 4.5 sacks. To give you an idea how bad he was the rest of the season he only had a total of 18 solo tackles and 8.5 sacks. Taco from Um had 10 sacks with 5 of those coming in the last two games against OSU and FSU he would be my edge rusher.
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Bower had 4 sacks and 12 tackles in a partime role. He can be had as a udfa. Not much difference between the two.

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As I said in another thread it will be Cooks (replacing Pryor) pick #11 and our 3rd next year. Browns will then turn pick 11 and 12 into another top 5 pick and land their QB Deshaun Watson or hold pick 11 and 12 and get Deshon Kizer at #11 and DE Derek Barnett. This is a no lose situation for the Browns and us if we land Myles Garrett!

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Cooks (a player we used a first and third to acquire), our first round pick No. 11, and a third round pick next season...

Somebody watched Draft Day one too many times...

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Why do that, grab a NT( Brandon Williams) in FA and draft a DE in the 2nd, he will benifit from the interior line play just like Jordan. DE is fairly deep this draft, moving to #1 with 2 !st rounders as deep as the draft is on D would be suicide for a coach if it didn't work out.

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we should get as many picks as possible and build through the draft. everyone knows that the draft is a crap shoot and there is no sure thing. we have made far too many mistakes which have landed us at 7-9 3 straight years. At least with more draft picks we have more of a chance to have some work out.

has anyone from the '15 draft worked out minus Peat?

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that was a good movie. I just think getting a talent like Myles would totally change our defense with Sheldon, Fairley and Cam now that line will make the entire defense so much better. Cooks is expendable at this point and we would only be giving the 3rd to move up 10 spots

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I'm not seein' a Ricky Williams anywhere around here. Of course, I wasn't seein' a Ricky Williams even when I was looking at Ricky Williams so...

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There are too many options in FA to package deals for specific players in the draft.

If we want to trade Cooks it's because he is no longer a team player, or deemed expendable. If we get a good pick or two for Cooks then great.

Dream scenario is Cooks to the jets for Richardson.

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Like I said above, Garrett is a below avg player. Stats dont lie. He had one good game in 2016. That game was against UTSA. 0 tackles the last 2 games of the year. ONly 2 aggies I would take is Knight or Noil

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If that happens you will have thousands of fans screaming because "we could have gotten Leonard Fournet"

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FIFY

He's nothing of what we need this draft year.....

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- I don't see us getting a #5 pick for cooks unless its packaged with our #11
- I Don't see us moving up to #1 it would cost so much and the ony pic there would be for Garrett.

- If we go with #5 at this point after watching the combine the pick better be Haason Reddick, LB, Temple:

I see us staying put and see how the draft shakes out for us because Foster could drop to us as well after that being at the Combine.

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AsylumGuido looks like we found your cat. :hallucinate:

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I'm never a fan of going all in for one player. Especially on defensive line, where this team, in particular, has a history of busts. The importance of getting a pass rusher is enormous, and I'd like to see us get one, but I don't want to sell the farm in order to get a guy who MIGHT work out. I don't see anything about Garrett that says he's a "can't miss" prospect. That doesn't mean he won't live up to his hype, but this isn't some super human kind of player that I'd be dumping a ton of assets into.

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not a good idea, agree. Plus we have far too many moves then to move to number 1, but we're not

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That's just not true at all, but I'm not surprised you went there, again.

Fournette will be a great player if he can stay healthy, but nobody (and by "nobody" I mean about 98% of fans) wants to see us trade up for a running back, no matter how good he may be. We don't feature the run enough to invest that much in a RB, and just as important is the fact that we don't run block particularly well.

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Not to mention Fournette didn't wow anybody at the combine. In fact, his 40 time and vertical jump were very disappointing. Several of the commentators on NFL Radio were saying the poor performance showed lack of explosion, something that is necessary for elite success in the NFL. Just repeating what I heard.

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I wasn't surprised at his showing at the combine, because he was fairly overweight. He had ankle problems all season that were never given time to properly heal, so I think he's probably been doing a lot of nothing, trying to let that thing heal.

I was a bit surprised he decided to show up, at all. He's run a 4.4 in the past, and when he gets back in shape (which was never a problem before this injury) he'll be fine. A lot of these commentators have short memories, it seems. The previous season, when he was healthy, he was superman. He was blowing by people, running them over, making cuts, and everyone was calling him a generational talent. Now they don't even list him as the best RB in this draft. I find that ridiculous.

Especially when you consider that, despite his injury and conditioning this past season, he was STILL running for more than a hundred yards per game. But, again, as much as it would be cool to see him with the Saints, he doesn't fit our needs. Not when you'd have to trade up to get him, especially.

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Fournette's 40-time is significant given his size. I'm sure he'll run even faster at his LSU Pro day. My hopes is that he goes to the AFC where we don't have to worry about this freight train twice a year ;).

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If we trade cooks and get a first rounder in exchange we have to stay pat and draft defensive BPA in the first round with both picks! Drafting is a numbers game and I am sick of throwing away draft picks like discards playing poker.

Then decide whether to go guard in the third round or straight defensive draft up to the fifth round where we try to develop O-line or a scat back/returner.

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+1. We would need to give the Browns both 1st and possibly next year's 1st and some more early round picks, since we are the ones initiating the trade. I think having 2 mid round 1st's helps us more than mortgaging several high picks on one player.


I wouldn't do it in any draft scenario.

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I really don't know what a mid 1st trade pick would be worth but I would possibly consider trading that pick for 2 2nd rounders if anyway possible, I believe most of the 2nd round is loaded with talent. I know they have a point scale but I don't know the worth. We could have 1 1st rounder and possibly 3 2nd rounders, 4 players in the 1st 2 rounds could ease alot of our glass cb. woes and those cb.'s this year look good.

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Here you go.

Draft Trade Chart

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I agree! There is a loon of solid cb's in this years draft some drafted in the 4/5 reds will see substantial playing time.

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Not true.

We could send just the number 11 if we also send player #9.

Which is about as likely as any other scenario

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Thanks, just looked it up and it could be done.

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DE plays a role with 10 other guys. Too many other needs and I'm not spending that much on a player who never touches the ball.

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Cooks isn't going anywhere. He will be a Saints this season and move on. Hopefully, he will light it up and command the money he desires. The Saints are going to get an elite player at #11. The can get a better pass rusher than what's currently on the roster in round 2. It's a deep draft except guards and linebackers. Unfortunately, two needs for the Saints.

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This wouldn't surprise me in the least.