Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE.
 

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See smart teams figure this crap out. Trade back that 4th pick and get something for it. It means nothing to NE they lose it.

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Question is will they be smart enough to do it?

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That's a great idea and it will benefit a team to take it BUT what will the offer be? Hopefully, the Texans offer a 4th and 6th.

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Hard to believe no one wanted to move up, or did the Saints even try??? Even for a 7th round pick in the 2021 draft, or something???

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The Patriots knew this would happen so they got rid of a pick they would have never had in the first place, smart move by them and a rather idiotic move by us.

What else is new on the Mickey & Sean show?

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Why idiotic? If that was the only way they were going to make the deal then it had to happen. The Saints got as much as they could for Cooks in an attempt to improve the defense. Could it have been better? Yes, but only if the Patriots were willing to make it better, which they obviously weren't. Besides, what difference does it make to the Saints what happens to the pick they moved as part of the deal? It certainly makes no difference whatsoever in my mind.

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Why where the front office stupid for that

Yes they could have made another trade but that means moving backwards in round 4 to maybe get a 5th or 6th rounder

How stupid would you look on draft night if someone fell to that pick and you missed them. There is nothing stopping them doing the same trade back and gaining picks in draft night.

So what the Pats now dont loose there early 4th rounder. We have the comp pick in round 3.



I dont get this whinging that Oh the Saints have made the Pats better. When you have not got out the division in 3 years thats the first focus

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Some people simply want something gripe and moan about, lee. There doesn't have to be anything pertaining to logic involved.

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I'm simply saying that Cooks was worth more than what the trade entailed, we shouldn't have had to send them a 4th rounder because Cooks was worth more than the 32nd pick and a 3rd rounder.

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While I agree that I didn't like sending the add'l pick, it's done...

Just wish there was more sanity and appreciation for draft picks by this club...

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I'm not so sure that the Saints got all they could for Cooks, when they still had a month, or so, before the draft. This seemed like an awful quick trigger on a not so good deal.

It doesn't speak well of our front office when they get fleeced on deals while other teams are making out on their deals. The Titans, whether or not they ever win again, have gotten huge value in trade deals the last couple of years. It seems to me that if you stand your ground long enough, teams will crack, if they really want a player or draft pick bad enough. The Saints have a propensity to cave in on contract demands and trades. Not every time (I liked what they did on the first day of free agency a lot, aside from Ginn, who I am indifferent about), but far too often. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: These guys keep getting free passes because of that Superbowl. That was an awesome accomplishment. But I think there would be a lot more wide spread criticism for how things have played out since then, if not for that championship.

At least they did make a couple of nice moves the other day, including finally getting some guard help.

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When you let players under contract to dictate a trade you're bound to be short change. If he wanted out so bad I would've at least asked him to move back that roster payment or I would've threatened to trade him to the Browns. I don't understand why they didn't reach out to the Browns in the first place

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If the Saints were so badly fleeced why did none of the other 30 teams offer a better trade

From all the reports the Titans were not giving up pick 18 unless they got our round 2

The Eagles offered Jenkins and a 3+4 and preferred to buy players on one year deal

The Browns have every draft pick under the sun and no WR yet no reports of an offer


Teams were not knocking down the door for Cook so they took the best offer on the table which is his worth

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We got a 1st and 3rd rounder for Cooks and a no good 4th to the Patriots. It's a win win. We screwed the Patriots in the deal, which never happens and we got 2 great draft picks to improve our defense. With AJ in the fold and Nick resigning we've already got the makings of a lot better defense. Byrd out of the way, resign Sterling and get a vet CB in here. Trade the 3rd back to the Patriots for Butler and draft the top 2 DE's in the first round, cornerback in the second and QB Davis Webb in the 4th!

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If the saints were smart the would ask for the 4th back with butler and give them our rd 3. They would be dropping a high contract (which they will drop anyway)and regaining a draft pick

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It was the only way to make the deal. I'm sure they would have rather not done it, but it was necessary. You can't logically blame them. The market sets the price and obviously no one else would offer any better. A player is only worth what the market bears. That is simple economics. The worth that you or I see is irrelevant.

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First of all, they were facing a deadline of Cooks' roster bonus, $781,599, which would have taken affect today. Now New England is responsible for it.

Secondly, they didn't get fleeced. They got what the market would bear. Cooks is going to be demanding a huge contract soon and his importance to the Saints offense wasn't worth it. No team other than the Patriots were willing to deal with that factor. The Saints got an additional first rounder with a fifth year option and moved up at least 15 spots from the 4th to the 3rd.

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How do you know they didn't?

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Don't forget that those reports of supposed offers were based solely upon speculation. There is no way to know what was really said between the two sides.

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^^^^ This ^^^^

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Browns signed a WR already and Browns aren't looking for players who might talk crap or have a potential attitude any more. Apparently you talk or locker room problem they are gone. There is change in Cleveland. Cooks has bee speaking out and I don't think that administration wants that anymore or even a hint of it.

Beside if they are going to try and get a QB with the 12 pick... Why would they give that up for a WR who won't play as much as a QB? The math doesn't add up.

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Economics 101. I wish more high schools would teach Economics and Logic. Two of the more useful course offerings in college today.

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You are thinking too logically. ;)

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Just using thm as an example
30 teams could have bettered the offer if it was so good and nobody did

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I wish more people knew this. I been saying this and I get blased for it.

Some people seem to think we should get Starting QB value for a Deep threat WR who comes in on certain downs. The math doesn't make sense.

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Browns more than likely will not touch a qb until rd 2 per 3. Brock is not being released or traded. He has a upside and the browns have no one better. Even if he becomes avg as he was in Denver he will be an upgrade over what they have. As for the #12 pick, even the browns are not that dumb. They are in need of playmakers and LF7 should be there at 12. They drafted like 42 wrs last year and have got to get something out of them.
We all wanted more out of the cooks trade but we didn't get it. We need to get over it and look towards the draft. Plenty of depth on defense and wr in this draft.

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Uhm, I had to be the bearer of bad news to you... I live in Cleveland and they are shopping him hard for draft picks. Word here is that they are going to get something even a 6 or 7th if now they may cut him all together. I would argue that Cody Kesler is better and has more upside than Brock.

Sure be nice to end up with the Browns number one pick for Cooks but the vaule for a one deminsional WR ???

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I assuming they didn't cause their weren't any mentions of trade with the Browns. I am not going to assume they did have discussions with the Browns when they're no mentions of the Browns. You can't one day say you're not trading him then weeks later say it will take a lot for us to consider trading and expect teams to come to you with the best offer. Do you think that is what the Texans did wait on Browns to call or do you think Browns call them?
ITS CALL COLLECTIVE REASONING

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Meh......