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Looks like the Eagles just signed Foles as a backup and released Daniel. Hmmm.

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Problem is that he thinks he is a starter and wants to go to a team that needs a starter...

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I used to love watching Chase Daniel tear up preseason, launching bombs to Adrian Arrington who could stay healthy for 4 preseason games and then get magically injured when the season started.

It depends what Daniel wants, I feel for him because he's better than a lot of starters, especially all of the jets QB's, he just seems to be the odd man out all the time.

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I don't think he is an upgrade over McCown, so no to bringing him back.

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Really, aren't there bigger fish to cajun broil out there?

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He got a monster deal in Philly; it really depends on what he wants to be.
Amazing stat- he has attempted 78 career passes in 8 years

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Pass..... no pun intended.

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I'd bring him back. Bring him back.

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Why? Dude had his chance with one of the best offensive and qb coach in the league and couldn't cut it.

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Id rather draft a QB round in rounds 2-4

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He reminds me of todays modern version of Bobby Scott. Bobby held a mean clip board, then Archie would go down for a few plays then Scott would dawn the helmet, run to the huddle and try his best. I sure wish Archie had a O-line in those days. Danials might be alright behind a good O-line with a great run game, but playing catch up with a bad D and having to match point for point, not many qb.'s today can do that.

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30 years old, never proven anything, no future, no reason to bring him in.

a good guy, I'm sure, but McCown is solid

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He actually did cut it. That's why he was the highest paid backup in the league. He has a legitimate shot at a starting gig. He wouldn't come back here to be a backup again.

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He could come back as a backup knowing he's "heir apparent"

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Hell, he may be 40 by then himself.

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to McCown?

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Don't see Chase Daniel on the saints radar.

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I would love Watson to fall. Otherwise, Daniel is an upgrade over McNown.

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seriously? he has one career win and 480 yards in 7 years

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Matt Flynn anyone? :rofl:

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I was really hoping Garrett Grayson showed major progress by now. He can't even beat out Luke McCown. I'm looking at the 3rd round of the draft when we took him. Here's who all was still on the board:

David Johnson, RB, Arizona Cardinals
Ty Montgomery, RB/WR, Green Bay Packers
Jamison Crowder, WR, Washington Redskins
Jeremy Langford, RB, Chicago Bears
Stefon Diggs, WR, Minnesota Vikings
Brett Hundley, QB, Green Bay Packers (Who I believe has major potential.)
Jay Ajayi, RB, Miami Dolphins

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In the shotgun 48 yr old Drew Brees!!

Remember the pictures of Favre after the (Non Bounty) NFC Championship game?

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You know what hurts more in that draft? We could've had CB Marcus Peters (who the Saints staff even went to dinner the night before his Pro Day) and instead we took Andrus Peat.

Now, I've got no problem with Peat; I've been arguing here that he should be the Left Tackle, his most natural position and Terron Armstead should be moved to Right Tackle with his speed and athleticism...

And now that we've gone another season with Armstead not playing a full season, we're still trying to force Peat to play at Guard!!!

The thing about drafting quarterbacks on the second day, you should expect them to be starters by their third year or being the primary backup to a HOF quarterback; otherwise, you should be moving on...

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While I still hold my ground that I do not believe Chase is an upgrade over McNown, I am seeing things with a little different twist. The Saints will absolutely need to keep 3 QB's this year, the chances of Brees leaving after 2017 is very high in my opinion. It wouldn't be a total washout having Chase and Luke McNown battle it out for the starting job while the Saints attempt to groom a franchise QB prospect. That option to me would be better than bringing in someone like Kap or Cutler... All speculation of course, I sure as heck don't know what's really going on...

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And you are Always wrong on that. RT don't need speed an athleticism unless the QB is a leftie and that is his blind side. A regular RT needs to be a road grader in the running game and able to handle himself some in the passing game.

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The only plus side i can see with Chase is he knows tbe sytem. He is a younger back up who could fill in for a year or two if Drew wasn't there and we can make the Eagles cover most of his salary as they have to pay him

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Well in your own words, you allude to the run game which I believe Armstead, the better runner, has the advantage...

Also we used to run our most successful bubble routes and screens with Pierre Thomas on the right side...

The NFL is about creating mismatches and Armstead's speed on the right would definitely be a mismatch...

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One of the main reasons for the screens and bubbles being successful on the right side is/was Jahri Evans who was very mobile and athletic. The interior line is often much more important on such plays than the tackles who invites their guy upfield most of the time.

And no, in the running game you don't need to be a good runner yourself to be a good runblocker. You need to be a big, powerful chunk of man able to physically dominate the guy in front of you.
Being the LT however you need to be fast and nimble since you need to keep yourself between the DE and the QB.
The perfect tackle is both big and powerful and quick and nimble at the same time. Finding humans that has those qualities on an NFL level is quite challenging thou. I'd say that there are probably fewer than 50 of those around in the world at any given time.
And if you happen to have one, you put him at LT since a lesser athlete can man the RT spot without it being much of a problem.

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Round 3 short list
David Johnson
P.J Williams,
Trey Flowers,
Ty Montgomery,
Stefon Diggs

Garrett Grayson was an after thought much later in the draft. UDFA Actually I had absolutely no interest in a QB that year.

Then again DeVante Parker was my pick at 11 so Peat looks like solid choice. I wanted to trade down so bad.

Davis Webb bottom of the 3rd?

Luke McCown vs Chase Daniel is pretty much an even race though i have always like Luke. he is one tough customer

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Why do you feel the chances of Brees leaving are high after this season? Seriously. You must have tangible reasons. I see the exact opposite and have no doubt his plans are to play several more years on year to year deals (just like Peyton Manning did with the same agent) and spend all of those years with the Saints. I believe him. What are your reasons?

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My only concerns is that Brees holds all the cards.

He can demand 25ml a year or walk. He is at an age were you dont want to be giving out 3/4 year deals to work the cap.

I do think a plan B needs to be in place soon. Get some leverage back and an option there in case father time catches up (and he does overnight),cap reasons or if we are a year or two away and he wont/cant wait

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May not be an option for long, Daniel is visiting the Jets today:

Chase Daniel visiting Jets | ProFootballTalk

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I honestly believe him when he says he feels he can continue to play at a high level well into his forties. I would be shocked if he wanted to retire for at least the next three years. He wants another shot at the Super Bowls with the Saints. That is clear. At his point of his career he doesn't need to hold the Saints captive. With the cap climbing at an annual rate of 9-10% a figure of $25 million will be a bargain for a quality QB.

As for plan B, of course. There should always be a plan B. You should always be grooming a QB even if you don't end up keeping them.

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And how is that different than any other day in the last 11 years?

How is this a problem? Not creating cap nightmares seems to be aligned between Brees and the team. Last year Brees could have asked for 3 years, $75 million, all guaranteed and likely would have got it. Then he could have played two years, retired, and left the team holding the bag for the remainder. Instead they worked out something reasonable for two years where either side can walk away with no damage.

I just really do not understand why after always choosing a reasonable workable contract route in each of the opportunities that have come up, that anyone would think that Brees either wants to leave, or to screw the team.

BTW $25 million is quickly becoming average QB money in today's cap environment, which is approaching $160 million.

So two year contracts with automatic voids after a year is perfect for both sides.


A plan B always needs to be in place. But as I've said before with Brees, it's probably better to plan for a year too late as opposed to a year too early. It is likely that it'll be impossible to find anyone who will be as productive as Brees even at 39,40, or 41 years old. The only X-factor is injury, which no one can predict.

In any case, Brees leaving, whenever that happens, will be the end of an era in Saints history. The aftermath will be rebuilding whether or not it's with a rookie or a veteran bridge QB.

The man is literally irreplaceable. So it's a fool's errand losing sleep trying to do so.

SFIAH

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All dead on!

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Chase or Luke?

To me, the obvious solution is a winner take all cage match.




Well, on second thought, Roger's probably got some sissified rule against death matches.

Another idea would be to let them battle it out in camp and pre-season. Let them both play behind the 1st string line and who ever plays better gets the job.

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And only one paycheck between'em. Winner take all!

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Well it happened. Sounds like Chase got a one-year deal. Probably good for both parties - Chase isn't locked into a long-term deal as a backup; Saints have a solid plan B if Brees gets hurt. Also if the 2017 season is a disaster (0-6 wins) and Payton and Brees go and this thing gets blown up, the new regime would have a serviceable QB already in town and could resign him.

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I really do not understand this signing. So Luke and Chase battle it out and the loser gets cut the last week with little chance of latching on elsewhere.

For all the hype that Daniel should be a starter somewhere, teams are looking at Glennon and Hoyer as much more expensive options, and Barkley, Keenum, and even Sanchez got more money and were signed before him.

Bottom line, we signed a 30 year old with exactly ONE career touchdown pass

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That is a fair point. I guess the plus side is that we would actually have real competition for the backup QB position, not just a shoo-in. Maybe signing Daniel is more of an admission that it is strike three on Grayson.