Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday!

The Dude · 04-19-2017, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No, you still don't get it. The Patriots had no say in the matter. They had a tender on Butler. Butler had not signed the tender, so he wasn't under contract. The Patriots couldn't just "sign him for the sole reason of trading him at the time." The Patriots couldn't do squat until Butler decided to sign the tender, which he just did weeks later.

Teams sign players at contract numbers players agree to. It gets worked out between the three parties. Team A wants a player and is willing to assume X amount of dollars in the contract. All parties agree and team B signs player at that amount then trades him. Could have been worked out as soon as it was allowed.

ChrisXVI · 04-18-2017, 08:35 PM

Look guys, it's easier if you stop thinking we actually had pick #32. Of course until the deal goes down we don't know what the compensation will be but I'm just speculating that was always going to be it.

shawnkytonk · 04-18-2017, 10:00 PM

For 32 is garbage though, considering the Cooks trade. He obviously was a bad seed, but we could have done better. Unless we win the SB, anything more than 42 or a pick next year is too much.

foreverfan · 04-18-2017, 10:17 PM

Report Out of New Orleans Says Patriots and Saints Have an Agreement to Trade Malcolm Butler for the 32nd Pick

You know what they say...
THE TRADE ISN'T OVER UNTIL THE FAT CAT RINGS....

NonieT · 04-18-2017, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Report Out of New Orleans Says Patriots and Saints Have an Agreement to Trade Malcolm Butler for the 32nd Pick

You know what they say...
THE TRADE ISN'T OVER UNTIL THE FAT CAT RINGS....

Did you see who wrote that article? Totally speculative.

Seer1 · 04-18-2017, 10:21 PM

Okay, quick question: Who would be better at 32 than Butler? Butler's a pick that at the very least we know can run with the big dogs.

hagan714 · 04-18-2017, 10:24 PM

T.J. Watt and the cap savings hands down.

Butler is good but not good enough for a first and the cap hit.

We are talking shut down CB prices.

Butler is no where near a shut down CB.

I watch him play every Sunday for years.

Do not go down this rabbit hole

all you will get is a Byrd in the end

jnormand · 04-19-2017, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

T.J. Watt and the cap savings hands down.

Butler is good but not good enough for a first and the cap hit.

We are talking shut down CB prices.

Butler is no where near a shut down CB.

I watch him play every Sunday for years.

Do not go down this rabbit hole

all you will get is a Byrd in the end

I hope you're wrong. Problem is we're all a bit apprehensive and gun-shy when it comes to getting DBs now. That's all due to Byrd. He got paid WAY too much money and was never that good for us.

If we get Butler....I hope it's nothing like the Byrd situation.

jeanpierre · 04-19-2017, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

T.J. Watt and the cap savings hands down.

Butler is good but not good enough for a first and the cap hit.

We are talking shut down CB prices.

Butler is no where near a shut down CB.

I watch him play every Sunday for years.

Do not go down this rabbit hole

all you will get is a Byrd in the end

Forget the 32nd pick, even if we sent just a third round pick back, here's the thing about Butler, many here (and obviously in Saints plaza) don't realize...

Butler and his representation are gonna argue he's rated as a Top 10 CB (if you follow PFF and others, they're right) and he's openly stated he wants to be compensated accordingly. Have no problem, he should get all he can...

I also follow Pat's games, and the problem I have is this: Butler rarely ever covers the opponents X-receiver (No. 1). Ever. So you're gonna pay him that kind of money for a shorter CB? Did we learn nothing from Jason David?

WTF is the problem in the Saints' office that they are so insecure about drafting & developing a CB?

Even if he comes in and gives solid play against the other teams Y receiver, you could have cap savings with a number of stellar rookie CBs from this draft season?

Why does this team continue to overpay?!?

lee909 · 04-18-2017, 11:09 PM

You know they'll sign McCourty who will slot right in like a probbowl CB while we loose a cheap player for 5 years and pay Butler 12+ml a year

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No, you still don't get it. The Patriots had no say in the matter. They had a tender on Butler. Butler had not signed the tender, so he wasn't under contract. The Patriots couldn't just "sign him for the sole reason of trading him at the time." The Patriots couldn't do squat until Butler decided to sign the tender, which he just did weeks later. Teams sign players at contract numbers players agree to. It gets worked out between the three parties. Team A wants a player and is willing to assume X amount of dollars in the contract. All parties agree and team B signs player at that amount then trades him. Could have been worked out as soon as it was allowed.
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