Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday!

Seer1 · 04-19-2017, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

We should get Butler and if so won't draft a CB 1st but the best available probably round 2 pick. DE and future QB picks 11 and 32.

However, there are no future QBs in this year's draft...

The Dude · 04-19-2017, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No, you still don't get it. The Patriots had no say in the matter. They had a tender on Butler. Butler had not signed the tender, so he wasn't under contract. The Patriots couldn't just "sign him for the sole reason of trading him at the time." The Patriots couldn't do squat until Butler decided to sign the tender, which he just did weeks later.

Teams sign players at contract numbers players agree to. It gets worked out between the three parties. Team A wants a player and is willing to assume X amount of dollars in the contract. All parties agree and team B signs player at that amount then trades him. Could have been worked out as soon as it was allowed.

|Mitch| · 04-19-2017, 01:19 PM

The Patriots tendered Butler; nothing could be done until Butler himself was ready to sign the tender.

voodooido · 04-19-2017, 01:20 PM

He signed his tender and now I'm sure there are talks. Maybe a draft day trade at 32 or 42 if the right guy is there for the pats. If they get our 32 I could see them sending back a rd 5 or 6 with butler. No matter what they say the pats don't want 30 million tied up in cbs.

AsylumGuido · 04-19-2017, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

The Patriots tendered Butler; nothing could be done until Butler himself was ready to sign the tender.

I should give up. Dude simply doesn't get it.

AsylumGuido · 04-19-2017, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Teams sign players at contract numbers players agree to. It gets worked out between the three parties. Team A wants a player and is willing to assume X amount of dollars in the contract. All parties agree and team B signs player at that amount then trades him. Could have been worked out as soon as it was allowed.

You can't even negotiate concerning a player not under contract. You can't do a three party deal when the main party cannot be discussed at all. It wouldn't "work out" because it isn't allowed under NFL rules. Not only would the NFL Office deny the transaction, but both franchises would be fined (at minimum) for breaking the rules. More likely both franchises would lose draft picks.

The Dude · 04-19-2017, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You can't even negotiate concerning a player not under contract. You can't do a three party deal when the main party cannot be discussed at all. It wouldn't "work out" because it isn't allowed under NFL rules. Not only would the NFL Office deny the transaction, but both franchises would be fined (at minimum) for breaking the rules. More likely both franchises would lose draft picks.

Yet this has been discussed openly in the media for months. I said as soon as it was allowed . Waa waa waa I'm asylum guido and I know everything

voodooido · 04-19-2017, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You can't even negotiate concerning a player not under contract. You can't do a three party deal when the main party cannot be discussed at all. It wouldn't "work out" because it isn't allowed under NFL rules. Not only would the NFL Office deny the transaction, but both franchises would be fined (at minimum) for breaking the rules. More likely both franchises would lose draft picks.

Good news is he now signed the tender. Lets get the ball rolling and snag this good CB.

AsylumGuido · 04-19-2017, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Yet this has been discussed openly in the media for months. I said as soon as it was allowed . Waa waa waa I'm asylum guido and I know everything

It was speculated upon by media hacks like Ian Rapoport. It was NEVER discussed openly anywhere. But, your whole original premise was that Butler should have been part of the Cooks deal, remember? It was pointed out to you that it wasn't possible. Now do you get it? You then waffled and said as soon as it was allowed, which was yesterday. You can't have it both ways.

AsylumGuido · 04-19-2017, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Good news is he now signed the tender. Lets get the ball rolling and snag this good CB.

If, and I do mean IF, we do make a deal I would be surprised if it was before the draft. As someone mentioned earlier, it may come down to whether what is sitting there at #32 is a better deal than Butler.

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by CheramieIII We should get Butler and if so won't draft a CB 1st but the best available probably round 2 pick. DE and future QB picks 11 and 32. However, there are no future QBs in this year's draft...

04-19-2017, 01:13 PM	#312
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No, you still don't get it. The Patriots had no say in the matter. They had a tender on Butler. Butler had not signed the tender, so he wasn't under contract. The Patriots couldn't just "sign him for the sole reason of trading him at the time." The Patriots couldn't do squat until Butler decided to sign the tender, which he just did weeks later. Teams sign players at contract numbers players agree to. It gets worked out between the three parties. Team A wants a player and is willing to assume X amount of dollars in the contract. All parties agree and team B signs player at that amount then trades him. Could have been worked out as soon as it was allowed.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by The Dude Teams sign players at contract numbers players agree to. It gets worked out between the three parties. Team A wants a player and is willing to assume X amount of dollars in the contract. All parties agree and team B signs player at that amount then trades him. Could have been worked out as soon as it was allowed. You can't even negotiate concerning a player not under contract. You can't do a three party deal when the main party cannot be discussed at all. It wouldn't "work out" because it isn't allowed under NFL rules. Not only would the NFL Office deny the transaction, but both franchises would be fined (at minimum) for breaking the rules. More likely both franchises would lose draft picks.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You can't even negotiate concerning a player not under contract. You can't do a three party deal when the main party cannot be discussed at all. It wouldn't "work out" because it isn't allowed under NFL rules. Not only would the NFL Office deny the transaction, but both franchises would be fined (at minimum) for breaking the rules. More likely both franchises would lose draft picks. Yet this has been discussed openly in the media for months. I said as soon as it was allowed . Waa waa waa I'm asylum guido and I know everything
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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You can't even negotiate concerning a player not under contract. You can't do a three party deal when the main party cannot be discussed at all. It wouldn't "work out" because it isn't allowed under NFL rules. Not only would the NFL Office deny the transaction, but both franchises would be fined (at minimum) for breaking the rules. More likely both franchises would lose draft picks. Good news is he now signed the tender. Lets get the ball rolling and snag this good CB. ChrisXVI and K Major like this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by The Dude Yet this has been discussed openly in the media for months. I said as soon as it was allowed . Waa waa waa I'm asylum guido and I know everything It was speculated upon by media hacks like Ian Rapoport. It was NEVER discussed openly anywhere. But, your whole original premise was that Butler should have been part of the Cooks deal, remember? It was pointed out to you that it wasn't possible. Now do you get it? You then waffled and said as soon as it was allowed, which was yesterday. You can't have it both ways.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by voodooido Good news is he now signed the tender. Lets get the ball rolling and snag this good CB. If, and I do mean IF, we do make a deal I would be surprised if it was before the draft. As someone mentioned earlier, it may come down to whether what is sitting there at #32 is a better deal than Butler.

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