Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday!

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2017, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm scratching my head on this one for a number of reasons. Proponents of this deal keep making this claim that "they must have a deal in place", which even if true, is not at all related to my issue with it.

I don't care if they have a deal worked out with Butler. I'm saying what are we giving up to get him. And why exactly do we need him so bad?

Also, why do you say they had to move quickly on Cooks? What's the rush? That doesn't make perfect sense to me. People seem convinced that a deal in place means we won't get fleeced again.

If they didn't get a deal done on Cooks before this past Monday the Saints would have had to eat his $781K roster bonus. By making the deal before then the Patriots had to take the hit. Perfectly logical.

burningmetal · 03-15-2017, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If they didn't get a deal done on Cooks before this past Monday the Saints would have had to eat his $781K roster bonus. By making the deal before then the Patriots had to take the hit. Perfectly logical.

Don't roster bonuses not count against the cap? If that is correct, that isn't much money to swallow in the NFL, in order to take a little more time on getting a better trade deal worked out.

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2017, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Don't roster bonuses not count against the cap? If that is correct, that isn't much money to swallow in the NFL, in order to take a little more time on getting a better trade deal worked out.

Roster bonuses absolutely count against the cap. And how do we not know that they hadn't already been hashing over a separate trade concerning Butler? Payton could have coerced the Pats do do the first trade right away so we wouldn't have the cap hit, while agreeing, in principle, to follow through with a deal to take Butler off their hands AFTER negotiating a with him.

That doesn't sound like the Saints got fleeced at all. If that's how it goes down then it sounds like pretty shrewd moves by Payton. Of course, that also has Loomis written all over it. He knows how to manipulate the cap better than most in the league.

03-15-2017, 12:48 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,713	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm scratching my head on this one for a number of reasons. Proponents of this deal keep making this claim that "they must have a deal in place", which even if true, is not at all related to my issue with it. I don't care if they have a deal worked out with Butler. I'm saying what are we giving up to get him. And why exactly do we need him so bad? Also, why do you say they had to move quickly on Cooks? What's the rush? That doesn't make perfect sense to me. People seem convinced that a deal in place means we won't get fleeced again. If they didn't get a deal done on Cooks before this past Monday the Saints would have had to eat his $781K roster bonus. By making the deal before then the Patriots had to take the hit. Perfectly logical.

03-15-2017, 01:37 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If they didn't get a deal done on Cooks before this past Monday the Saints would have had to eat his $781K roster bonus. By making the deal before then the Patriots had to take the hit. Perfectly logical. Don't roster bonuses not count against the cap? If that is correct, that isn't much money to swallow in the NFL, in order to take a little more time on getting a better trade deal worked out.

03-15-2017, 02:44 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,713	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by burningmetal Don't roster bonuses not count against the cap? If that is correct, that isn't much money to swallow in the NFL, in order to take a little more time on getting a better trade deal worked out. Roster bonuses absolutely count against the cap. And how do we not know that they hadn't already been hashing over a separate trade concerning Butler? Payton could have coerced the Pats do do the first trade right away so we wouldn't have the cap hit, while agreeing, in principle, to follow through with a deal to take Butler off their hands AFTER negotiating a with him. That doesn't sound like the Saints got fleeced at all. If that's how it goes down then it sounds like pretty shrewd moves by Payton. Of course, that also has Loomis written all over it. He knows how to manipulate the cap better than most in the league.
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