Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday!

burningmetal · 03-15-2017, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

In New Orleans wide receivers grow on trees.

Cornerbacks on the other hand die on the vine.

If Malcolm Butler is half as good in Nola as he was in NE we have a franchise CB

So Butler won't "die" on the vine? This isn't New England. That's just the concern in question, along with the fact that people are calling him a franchise corner after two years of starting in a zone scheme. Even Darrelle Revis' play dropped dramatically after leaving them. Everybody thought he had gotten "it" back, but after he left it seems like maybe not.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that's fine if they wanna get pumped about Butler. I don't think the questions are at all without merit, however.

voodooido · 03-15-2017, 12:15 AM

Look, the kid is good. No he's not Deion, or Patrick Peterson but his is by far better than anyone we have. As long as he does not want Peterson money I say this a rd 3 at them and see if it sticks.

neugey · 03-15-2017, 06:50 AM

It worries me we didn't take longer to work on actually trading Cooks for Butler with offsetting picks or other players. What was the urgency to move Cooks so soon? Draft isn't until late April.

I fear that a few years down the road, we would have wished that we would have simply kept Cooks for 1 more year then let him walk in FA and get the comp picks. Plenty of incentive for Cooks to play well for us in his final contract year so he could get big money elsewhere. Let FA work for us and help us control costs instead of trying to fight it.

spkb25 · 03-15-2017, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

It worries me we didn't take longer to work on actually trading Cooks for Butler with offsetting picks or other players. What was the urgency to move Cooks so soon? Draft isn't until late April.

I fear that a few years down the road, we would have wished that we would have simply kept Cooks for 1 more year then let him walk in FA and get the comp picks. Plenty of incentive for Cooks to play well for us in his final contract year so he could get big money elsewhere. Let FA work for us and help us control costs instead of trying to fight it.

His pending like 600K roster bonus, I think

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2017, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

His pending like 600K roster bonus, I think

$781,599, to be exact. It was due in his contract this past Monday. The Patriots had to pay it.

ScottF · 03-15-2017, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

It worries me we didn't take longer to work on actually trading Cooks for Butler with offsetting picks or other players. What was the urgency to move Cooks so soon? Draft isn't until late April.

I fear that a few years down the road, we would have wished that we would have simply kept Cooks for 1 more year then let him walk in FA and get the comp picks. Plenty of incentive for Cooks to play well for us in his final contract year so he could get big money elsewhere. Let FA work for us and help us control costs instead of trying to fight it.

we got the 32nd and a nominal 11 spot move from 4th to 3rd

the best comp pick is #97
really no comparison

lee909 · 03-15-2017, 06:51 AM

Paying Cooks over 700k in a roster bonus

saintsfan1976 · 03-15-2017, 08:21 AM

Butler is a system Corneback and that system is known as the NFL

burningmetal · 03-15-2017, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Butler is a system Corneback and that system is known as the NFL

I know you know better than that. System players are a real thing in this league. You might disagree with the assessment that Butler is one of them, but there are countless examples of guys who can only produce in certain systems.

saintsfan1976 · 03-15-2017, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I know you know better than that. System players are a real thing in this league. You might disagree with the assessment that Butler is one of them, but there are countless examples of guys who can only produce in certain systems.

Where did I say system players don't exist?

03-15-2017, 02:13 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 In New Orleans wide receivers grow on trees. Cornerbacks on the other hand die on the vine. If Malcolm Butler is half as good in Nola as he was in NE we have a franchise CB So Butler won't "die" on the vine? This isn't New England. That's just the concern in question, along with the fact that people are calling him a franchise corner after two years of starting in a zone scheme. Even Darrelle Revis' play dropped dramatically after leaving them. Everybody thought he had gotten "it" back, but after he left it seems like maybe not. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that's fine if they wanna get pumped about Butler. I don't think the questions are at all without merit, however. nola_swammi and Rsanders24 like this.

03-15-2017, 12:15 AM	#2
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03-15-2017, 06:50 AM	#3
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,879 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! It worries me we didn't take longer to work on actually trading Cooks for Butler with offsetting picks or other players. What was the urgency to move Cooks so soon? Draft isn't until late April. I fear that a few years down the road, we would have wished that we would have simply kept Cooks for 1 more year then let him walk in FA and get the comp picks. Plenty of incentive for Cooks to play well for us in his final contract year so he could get big money elsewhere. Let FA work for us and help us control costs instead of trying to fight it.

03-15-2017, 06:56 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by neugey It worries me we didn't take longer to work on actually trading Cooks for Butler with offsetting picks or other players. What was the urgency to move Cooks so soon? Draft isn't until late April. I fear that a few years down the road, we would have wished that we would have simply kept Cooks for 1 more year then let him walk in FA and get the comp picks. Plenty of incentive for Cooks to play well for us in his final contract year so he could get big money elsewhere. Let FA work for us and help us control costs instead of trying to fight it. His pending like 600K roster bonus, I think

03-15-2017, 08:10 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by spkb25 His pending like 600K roster bonus, I think $781,599, to be exact. It was due in his contract this past Monday. The Patriots had to pay it. spkb25 likes this.

03-15-2017, 07:05 AM	#6
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by neugey It worries me we didn't take longer to work on actually trading Cooks for Butler with offsetting picks or other players. What was the urgency to move Cooks so soon? Draft isn't until late April. I fear that a few years down the road, we would have wished that we would have simply kept Cooks for 1 more year then let him walk in FA and get the comp picks. Plenty of incentive for Cooks to play well for us in his final contract year so he could get big money elsewhere. Let FA work for us and help us control costs instead of trying to fight it. we got the 32nd and a nominal 11 spot move from 4th to 3rd the best comp pick is #97 really no comparison

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03-15-2017, 09:05 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Butler is a system Corneback and that system is known as the NFL I know you know better than that. System players are a real thing in this league. You might disagree with the assessment that Butler is one of them, but there are countless examples of guys who can only produce in certain systems.

03-15-2017, 12:32 PM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Breaking: Malcolm Butler visiting Saints Thursday! Originally Posted by burningmetal I know you know better than that. System players are a real thing in this league. You might disagree with the assessment that Butler is one of them, but there are countless examples of guys who can only produce in certain systems. Where did I say system players don't exist?

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