Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting?
 

Film Study: If Saints Trade for Malcolm Butler, What Are They Getting?

Very good article with supporting video. Watch how Butler keeps his eye on the ball while staying in ideal position throughout routes. That isn't something a scheme player can do successfully as often as he does.

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Really want this trade to go through. I would even be willing to give our rd 2 if they throw in our 4th from the cooks trade. We need a shutdown cb

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Butler would be a great upgrade. Worth a 2nd rd pick.
Plenty of CBs to be had in rd. three

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Yeah I'd trade a 2nd rounder for him. But the Pats have a 1st round tender on him. And I don't think he's worth a first rounder.

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Have you seen the scenario I have posted about that? He has the tender and it only takes affect if he DOESN'T sign it. He can agree to terms with the Saints without finalizing, and then sign the tender. That means the Pats can trade him with the 1st rounder not in play.

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He is not worth the money he seeking. he is not a #1 CB. this is the key point. He is best in the slot but his lack of tackling skills forces him to the outside more than the pats want. pats know it and i hope we do to. This is why the pats are moving on from him. 3rd round tops and that is still a maybe in my book. Better players have been traded for less because of the contract baggage they bring with them.

A dose of reality in these contract negotiation are needed .

Pats are banking on desperation and it will drive us to make a huge mistake. Over pay him and throw a high pick in to boot.

Draft is to deep and the defense needs way too many upgrades to justify this kind of desperation.

Living in NE I just do not see the value in all the years I have watched him play. couple big plays does not cover up the over sell that is going on here.

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Hagan, my friend. What supposed money is he demanding? His agent just came out a couple of days ago saying they haven't spoken to the Patriots at all since the end of the season. He said all claims money are all speculation by the press.

When are you ever going to stop believing every bit of bull crap media hype that you read?

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Like he said, he gets that head around and attacks the ball.

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About the 2nd or 3rd time he gets burned without S help over the top some people on here will be singing a different tune. He is not a shutdown CB, but he is better than what we have on the current roster as of now. Money may be a huge issue for a good player but if anyone on here thinks he's a shutdown corner, don't, S help will be the key on #1 wideouts.

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Which NFL cornerback is shutting down the top WR's 1 on 1? Who's the shut down corner in the NFL? It just doesn't exist. Trust me, I had my reservations about Butler in the beginning, but we have to get better. He makes us better.

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This is Jason David all over again. Jason David was doing the same thing in that weak division of wr, people all praises til he got bombed on the 1st play. If you running a 4.6 you better have a top notch vertical close to 40. This guy vertical is 33. If they we're running similar schemes as patriots I'll be all for it but they're running a scheme similar to Seattle. Malcolm Butler is no Richard Sherman.

Loomis need to stop looking for the popular athletes. Do your job and let the scouts evaluate and you and Dennis Allen process what is needed

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Aquib Talib, Ramsey, Xavier Rhodes

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Jason David was a Cover 2 cornerback that we tried to make into a man corner. This is apples to oranges. We want Butler to do the same things he's doing in New England...things he's already good at.

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He doesn't run a 4.6... When the Patriots had him in for a tryout as an undrafted free agent they timed him at 4.4.

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Who did Xavier Rhodes shut down? Look at the Vikings schedule. Jordy Nelson shredded the Vikings, meaning he shredded Rhodes because Rhodes follows the #1 receiver.

Jalen Ramsey gave up around 800 yards this year on 14 yards a catch. He got better as the season went on, but he wasn't what I'd call shut down.

Aqib Talib was great, but he's not shutting down Julio Jones either.

Nobody is shutting down the top WR's consistently.

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Where is the link

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Loomis doesn't evaluate talent. Payton does. Loomis is the contract guy. Payton is the personnel guy. Get with it, swammi.

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Jordy Nelson was injured, type the to secondary of 2016. A rookie, Ramsey I practically can't think of wr scoring on that kid

Of course Julio going to get his catches like all wr wil, but when it come to prevent a score or a 3rd and long 1st, I don't see Malcolm as being reliable

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Malcolm Butler proves NFL scouting combine not only path to stardom

"It was Josh Boyer, the Patriots' defensive back coach. He could offer Butler a tryout the next weekend in Foxborough. The Patriots would fly Butler to New England, but Butler would have to sign a waiver in order to participate.
'I don't think he was even off the plane and on the ground for half an hour before they had him run the 40. And he ran a 4.4, and they called and said they were going to keep him,' Simpson said."

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And that's the problem. He should have scouts to evaluate. Stop going after the popular cause most of them with good agents will have them on papa john commercials

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No, the point I was making is that Payton and his new personnel crew deal with the talent evaluations and acquisition. Not Loomis.

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he is saying "not since the end of this season" that's 2017. But they were talking contracts all of the 2016 season. So do not believe an agent so quickly. Agents are sleazy political sales men and nothing more. If he was reasonable the pats would have already signed him. They have plenty of cash to spend still in FA.

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I wouldn't trust no patriots staff when their trying to trade him. You are correct, sorry but I do like to see proof. I can not possibly see ANYONE improving their time by 2 tenth of a second in that short amount of time. If he did he need to be tested. STILL WITH THIS MANY OF TALENTED DBS IN THIS DRAFT I would chance it on a pick instead of a high price scheme player

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You asked for the link. Now you don't believe it? They weren't trying to trade him when they brought him in for a look see.

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i thought Ireland was Loomis choice. I believe I heard last year that Payton had a problem with Loomis cause he wasn't that devoted to the team (believing too much time was being spent on the Pelicans) if I can find the evidence I'll post

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I said was sorry, I seen it therefore I believe you. I just don't feel the time was accurate. Tape show that he played with help over the top. I still don't believe he is a match for our defensive scheme

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You don't even know the top man cbs. These 3 are not on the level of butler. Not even close. I would say butler is just as good as Sherman and Norman. A step down from Peterson but who isn't????

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Whatever it takes to improve the secondary. He is not Deion Sanders, but would be our best CB. With the current rules favoring the offense, every DB is going to get beat. I'm interested in who is going to play Free Safety. That is an obvious need right now.

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Well he can't be any worse than what we've got. As long as we don't overpay for him. I feel he would be an upgrade but we actually won't know unless we sign him. Hopefully, like I said, it's at the right price.

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MB is a 2ND team All Pro with skins on the wall. I'd say he's substantially better than anything we've had at the corner position in years.

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If there is a way we could get him, keep our rd 1 and 2 picks, we could truly go bpa after the signing of Alex. Could u imagine a luxury pick like LF, Williams or Howard at 11????!! Cb is deep so one in rd 2 is possible. Safety at 32 is also possible with the depth. After jones torn Achilles we could steal him in rd 6 and sit him the season. Dwayne Thomas in rd 7. Oooooo I'm starting to get a chubby

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Pick 42 is more than adequate for Butler. If not, use 3 of the first 4 picks (11, 32, 42, and 76) on defensive needs. Look for a playmaker with the other. Pretty simple.

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Actually, his agent said nothing has been discussed about contracts since LAST year.

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Rhodes is top tier talent-wise, but he's had a lot of nagging injuries these past seasons.

I would certainly trade the 32nd 1st rounder for Rhodes in a heartbeat. Not so sure about Butler, since I don't really watch the Patriots play.

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You're right K. Wasn't meaning to downplay what he can bring to the team. I just hope we don't overpay for him. I hope we can get this guy.

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just what i said last year meaning 2016. they talked and the pats did not think he was worth it and walked away. Butler has not budged. The pats will not let him go for chump change. they know his name is worth money. So they tagged him.

They will let him play at just under 4 million in 2017. They will let him walk in 2018 as a UFA and take whatever comp pick they can get. if his agent does not lower his demands in 2017 . The pats will not be spending big bucks next year. The gilmore signing and other moves show this is a year were the pats are going to try for another super bowl run before Tom leaves the game for good.

This is the patriot way of doing business. No player will strong arm them in contract talks.

Read this and you will get a good picture of The Patriot Way

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The market for cornerbacks has not corrected since the landmark Darrelle Revis deal - last of the true shutdown CBs...

Butler has played extremely well within the Patiots' scheme and is deservedly justified a healthy contract...

But this is the thing - Are we going to commit $13 mil/annum to a proven cornerback, though not a shutdown cornerback?

The premium in this league will always be the quarterback; and once proven, their annual salarys balloon over the $20mil/annum QB Mendoza line...

But is a good CB justified of over $13 mil/annum when the salary cap has to be spread out over 53 players (well top 51)?

Again, keep in mind you don't get shutdown services with that figure.

And also factor you've got big question marks opposite Cam Jordan on the defensive line at weakside DE and outside linebacker.

Not to mention starting Tight End, Free Safety and risky signing at Right Guard...

I'd rather have more chances in the draft and select younger, faster, stronger players for my defense...

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Dont know what your getting at about a starting TE.

Fleener has just put up nearly 1700 yards and over 10 TDs last season*














* This may have been my last season on Madden

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I don't know what I would give up until I know the price he wants.

I want both our first rounders to be used by us in the draft. I like that maybe we can package something to even move up and snag the RB before Panthers get him because I don't want to have to deal with stopping that guy in our division.