What should a trade for Malcolm Butler look like to you?
 

My Opinion:

Patriots previous trades & now guideline for Saints potential trade for Malcolm Butler

Trade 1:
(New England/Arizona)

Arizona receives: Chandler Jones

New England receives: 2016 2nd round pick & Jonathan Cooper


Trade 2:
(New England/Cleveland)

Cleveland receives: Jamie Collins

New England receives: Conditional 2018 4th round pick, which ultimately became a 2017 3rd round compensatory pick
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After reviewing New England's past trades of Chandler Jones & Jamie Collins, who were in contract years identical to Malcolm Butler, I believe a fair trade with New Orleans should look as follows...

Potential trade:
(New Orleans/New England)

New Orleans receives: Malcolm Butler

New England receives: 2017 3rd Round pick(#76 overall) & 2017 7th round pick(#229 overall)

Why it makes sense:

The value New England receives falls right in the middle of their two prior trades with Arizona & Cleveland. Chandler Jones(4years/36sacks in NE) nets the biggest return because of the Higher positional value & money he commands as an EDGE defender, followed by Malcolm Butler at CB, then Jamie Collins as an LB. While Malcolm Butler has developed a name for himself these past two years, I see no reason why New Orleans should give up more than what Arizona paid for Jones, a former 1st round pick with top production.

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Id love the highest pick to be a third but i think it will be a second

My hope is if we give them a 2 we get something back aswell as Butler thinking 4 or 5 back

Or if its the 32 selection we get the Panthers 3rd they own

They will get a 3rd in a comp pick if they dont replace him in 2019 if he leaves as a FA in 2018

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I'd rather keep the picks & take a CB at 32 or 42 instead though. heck my dream scenario would be going heavy front 7 in the first 2 rounds then double dipping at CB with the two 3rd rounders. If the Saints give up anything more than #42 overall i'll be upset, but life goes on. I just dont want this team to make a boneheaded decision and feel like they absolutely need Malcolm Butler at the expense of valuable picks.

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i could live with the 2nd rounder idea you mentioned. I dont want them touching the 1st rounders though.

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Original post sounds right to me.

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I dont see them agreeing a 3rd.
A 7th means nothing and they would likely get a 3rd as a comp pick. They'd be better keeping him on a cheap tender and lettung him walk next year

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I say wait and sign him next year as a FA

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Yeah i have the same feelings if it more than a 3rd

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with this draft I do not see the rush. draft a bunch of CB and see how it goes then if needed chase the kid in 2018.

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I really mixed in what to do.
I dont like the cost but i do think the DB need some vet and winning experience. Breaux is going to want big money soon too and im really unsure paying him with his injury history.

More than a 3rd and im not liking it. Could live with a 2 but would like something else back but the Pats know they can get a 3rd for him



If the front office does devide to go with a 1 (really hope not) hope they wait till the draft and make it an 18 pick

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We have no idea what the cost will be. People are fixated on these $13-$14 million per anum numbers that were thrown out as speculation.

That is from an article in the Boston Herald by Jeff Howe. Those numbers aren't coming from Butler, his agent or the Patriots. It's coming from media speculation alone. Once again, the gullible forum readers pounce upon anything and twist it into fact.

And again here in an article by Matt Dolloff of CBS Boston ...

This is where the number is coming from. Get your facts straight.

Note: the "your" I'm referring to isn't you, lee, it is addressing the general public that dwells on inaccuracies. I just used your post as a launching poit.

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The more I have slept on this idea the more I don't like it. So much we could do with the 2 first rounders and wouldn't mind trying to trade up.

Jump in front of the panthers even to grab RB out of LSU if the Jags dont' take him. I don't want to have to try and stop this guy in our division. Even thought I love Riddick/Foster with that pick.

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A first rounder doesn't have to be involved.

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Let's just jump in and draft a couple of guys that can tackle the RB out of LSU and everywhere else then let the chips fall where they may...

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Me too. I have a bad feeling about all of this. The Saints should let the patriots keep Butler.

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It doesn't matter. The Pats will come out with the better end of the deal. Saints will give up too much. I'm prepared for it already. I just hope they draft well with the rest of their picks...Whatever they have left.

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The best option indeed...although a 4th would make me think about it.

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It's true people are fixated on the 13-14 a year mark. It's a logical number and I'd be surprised if he signs anything for less then 11-12 a year with a large chunk of guaranteed​ money.

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Some rumours that the Pats may offer Butler a deal
They have back-loaded Hightowers deal so may be looking to extend Butler.

Wouldn't be too bothered just keping the picks and also would not be surprised if the Pats led Loomis up th garden path by talking a future trade with Butler to get the deal done and always planned to extend once Butler had an idea what he would get on the open market after meeting the Saints

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We could always offer the 32nd pick we received from New England, a 4th rounder from this years draft, and a 2nd rounder from next years draft for Patrick Peterson.

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We could offer them a 3rd rounder and be done with it. We can draft someone with #11 or 32 or 2nd or 3rd who could play just as well as Butler. He won't resign with the Patriots for sure so he'll have to get off that 13-14 million a year or sign elsewhere.

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Rumors are nothing but speculation from media hacks with no more knowledge than we have. They are stating what they think could be happening.

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He isn't ON a 13-14 million figure. That was just speculation from media hacks. Geeze! Do some research or simply read the post where I showed exactly where those number originated. :rolleyes:

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We don't agree on many things, but I'm with you on this. The Patriots just signed Dont'a Hightower to a 4 year/$43.5 million deal. That's roughly $11 million a year range. I know it's different positions, but I believe we could get Butler on a similar deal. I'd say 3 years/$32.5 million with over half of it guaranteed. That's like $10.5 million a year, which is reasonable for somebody with his body of work.

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On the other hand, Stephone Gilmore got 5 years/$65 million which is over $13 million a year. I don't know who would command the bigger price if they were on the open market together. Logan Ryan got a 3 year/$30 million deal as I'm doing the research and typing this. A.J. Bouye receiver $13.5 million a year. I'm going to speculate he's not going any lower than $10 million a year, but also not any higher than $13 million.

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You can't just get hung up on how much a player contract is per year; there's also:

• Contract Length of Time (Malcolm Butler is already 27 yo)
• Guaranteed Money (That's how much will be dead should it not work out)
• Percentage Allocated vs Team Cap Space (We've got some contracts coming due next season)

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Butler and camp has stated he wanted to be payed as a Top 10 CB; which he's definitely earned and proved he deserves.

New England just had reservations about committing that much to their Superbowl hero.

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Obviously the Saints, specifically Sean Payton, Dennis Allen are not happy with their current crop of CBs and feel Butler improves the team.

Which leads me to these questions that Raymond and Mary Holder will probably not ask:

• Are there lingering health issues with cornerbacks currently under contract?
  
  
• Was there a performance evaluation that returned a conclusion that the position needed to be upgraded, current rostered players had reached a ceiling?
  
  
• Is there a periphery issue(s) with a player(s) that required a CB be brought in to replace a current player?
  
  
• Are the available cornerbacks in this heralded, historic draft class not as appreciated, positively graded by the Saints scouting efforts?
  
  
• Would it be fair to characterize the current Saints regime/Payton Tenure as one that avoids rookie players?

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I saw speculated somewhere that New England's #32 pick is essentially a placeholder for Malcolm Butler because we couldn't get him included in the Cooks trade in time. We would send it back to them for Butler so when all is said and done it would be Cooks+4th rounder for Butler+3rd rounder.

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I read somewhere about a second round pick is being discussed with the Patriots

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What is taking so long... it seems like it is taking forever.

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Not at all. The guy is not worth the money or picks. If he was, why wouldn't the Pats just sign him to a deal like Gilmore instead of Gilmore? Probably could have gotten him cheaper. Stay away.

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The Patriots are good in many ways and they have a system that has worked very well.
They are not infallible
Loomis is not dumb .
The Patriots are in a similar position that the Saints were in with Cooks
Butler wants More Money this year.
At most we swap the 32nd pick.
I think that we will have some other picks involved in that case not sure what.
Butler would be a good get for the defense.
I think this trade is going to happen.
I hope we give up next year 2.

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So far .....so good......no trade.....fingers are crossed. Let me have a happy weekend and hear the trade was cancelled

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I will say this once again....if we fix the pass rush we do not need to pay this guy 10M a year. Get the best pass rusher at 11 and then DB at 32. We address the front 7 again in the 2nd and we will be set!

I guarantee that our secondary will look better.

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11. Derek Barnett or Taco Charlton
32. Obi Melifonwu
42. Fabian Moreau

LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN

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Lol, I agree. if the Saints feel they "need" to trade for Butler, my original post was the most i'd give. My preference and hope has always been that we keep the picks.