Malcolm Butler’s visit with Saints reportedly ends with no deal

03-17-2017, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Not a good sign when a visit ends with no contract.

90% of the time that player signs somewhere else.

I'd absolutely love to have him, but if his price was too high there are other options that will achieve our goals.

A contract would mean we give up #11. An agreement to sign a contract after signing the tender with the Pats and being traded wouldn't. We DIDN'T want a contract signed when he left. That would have been a bad thing.

SAINTstunna · 03-17-2017, 10:27 PM

I think we still have a strong chance of signing Butler. Once we reach an agreement, the Pats have a chance to match it. If they decide to let him come to N.O. Then we would discuss compensation. I would rather swap back our 3rd and 4th round pics from the Cooks trade, but I wouldn't be mad if they decided to give up the 32nd pic either, that means we basically traded Cooks for Butler. Cooks is too emotional and selfish, Wanna be the man over a good team player. We will get Butler for a deal similar to the one the Pats gave Gilmore, then we just hafta cross our fingers and hope he fits our system and don't go Browner on us . . .

The Dude · 03-18-2017, 03:24 PM

**** that. If I'm trading my first pick it's going to be for a young All Pro player. A player that immediately makes us much better. A game changer
. I really can't think of anyone on the market worth that

AsylumGuido · 03-18-2017, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

**** that. If I'm trading my first pick it's going to be for a young All Pro player. A player that immediately makes us much better. A game changer
. I really can't think of anyone on the market worth that

Dude, are you paying attention at all? The Saints first pick isn't in play at all. Get with the game.

jnormand · 03-18-2017, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Dude, are you paying attention at all? The Saints first pick isn't in play at all. Get with the game.

I hope not. But no one really knows what's going on. Technically, they could trade that pick. Especially during the draft if Butler signs the tender or a contract with the Pats. The Saints get crazy on draft day.

It's doubtful IMO, but I don't bet on anything when it comes to the Saints and draft picks.

spkb25 · 03-18-2017, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I hope not. But no one really knows what's going on. Technically, they could trade that pick. Especially during the draft if Butler signs the tender or a contract with the Pats. The Saints get crazy on draft day.

It's doubtful IMO, but I don't bet on anything when it comes to the Saints and draft picks.

We don't truly know. I have no idea if we are going to sign him or not, etc. I guess when he signs his tender we wil have a clue he is about to be traded, maybe lol

jeanpierre · 03-19-2017, 05:15 AM

Another issue with Butler will be his salary cap number which will be between 11 and 13 mil per annum if he gets Top 10 CB money that he said he wants.

Do we want to commit that kind of money to a CB that is only listed at 5' 10" and doesn't cover the taller No. 1 receivers, only exception was Antonio Brown, and still have Del Breaux to extend in a couple of seasons?

Del Breaux is 6' 1" and will still be out No. 1 CB even with Malcolm Butler.

Spend that 32nd pick or more that one pick to get your No. 2 if you don't think PJ can come back healthy...

Hopefully someone in the Saints Front Office will talk Payton out of this madness...

03-17-2017, 10:09 PM	#31
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,074 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Danno Not a good sign when a visit ends with no contract. 90% of the time that player signs somewhere else. I'd absolutely love to have him, but if his price was too high there are other options that will achieve our goals. A contract would mean we give up #11. An agreement to sign a contract after signing the tender with the Pats and being traded wouldn't. We DIDN'T want a contract signed when he left. That would have been a bad thing. K Major likes this.
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SAINTstunna 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: SACRAMENTO, CA Posts: 249 Blog Entries: 9	Re: Malcolm Butler’s visit with Saints reportedly ends with no deal I think we still have a strong chance of signing Butler. Once we reach an agreement, the Pats have a chance to match it. If they decide to let him come to N.O. Then we would discuss compensation. I would rather swap back our 3rd and 4th round pics from the Cooks trade, but I wouldn't be mad if they decided to give up the 32nd pic either, that means we basically traded Cooks for Butler. Cooks is too emotional and selfish, Wanna be the man over a good team player. We will get Butler for a deal similar to the one the Pats gave Gilmore, then we just hafta cross our fingers and hope he fits our system and don't go Browner on us . . .
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,074	Re: Malcolm Butler’s visit with Saints reportedly ends with no deal Originally Posted by The Dude **** that. If I'm trading my first pick it's going to be for a young All Pro player. A player that immediately makes us much better. A game changer . I really can't think of anyone on the market worth that Dude, are you paying attention at all? The Saints first pick isn't in play at all. Get with the game. K Major likes this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,655	Re: Malcolm Butler’s visit with Saints reportedly ends with no deal Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Dude, are you paying attention at all? The Saints first pick isn't in play at all. Get with the game. I hope not. But no one really knows what's going on. Technically, they could trade that pick. Especially during the draft if Butler signs the tender or a contract with the Pats. The Saints get crazy on draft day. It's doubtful IMO, but I don't bet on anything when it comes to the Saints and draft picks.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Malcolm Butler’s visit with Saints reportedly ends with no deal Originally Posted by jnormand I hope not. But no one really knows what's going on. Technically, they could trade that pick. Especially during the draft if Butler signs the tender or a contract with the Pats. The Saints get crazy on draft day. It's doubtful IMO, but I don't bet on anything when it comes to the Saints and draft picks. We don't truly know. I have no idea if we are going to sign him or not, etc. I guess when he signs his tender we wil have a clue he is about to be traded, maybe lol

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Malcolm Butler’s visit with Saints reportedly ends with no deal Another issue with Butler will be his salary cap number which will be between 11 and 13 mil per annum if he gets Top 10 CB money that he said he wants. Do we want to commit that kind of money to a CB that is only listed at 5' 10" and doesn't cover the taller No. 1 receivers, only exception was Antonio Brown, and still have Del Breaux to extend in a couple of seasons? Del Breaux is 6' 1" and will still be out No. 1 CB even with Malcolm Butler. Spend that 32nd pick or more that one pick to get your No. 2 if you don't think PJ can come back healthy... Hopefully someone in the Saints Front Office will talk Payton out of this madness...
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