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SmashMouth 03-19-2017 07:37 AM

If you had to go Offense at #11...
 
Who is your pick?

Deshaun Watson?

AsylumGuido 03-19-2017 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 741478)
Who is your pick?

Deshaun Watson?

Hell, no!

Ashley 03-19-2017 08:27 AM

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McCaffrey, new and improved version of Sproles. Shock everyone

CheramieIII 03-19-2017 09:04 AM

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Fournette, Corey Davis and OJ Howard in that order. Would love to see Fournette and Ingram in the backfield at the same time. Thunder and Lighting, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Eye of the Hurricane, Ground Swell, Yin and Yang, Beast Twins, Jab and Knockout.

jlouhill 03-19-2017 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 741489)
Fournette, Corey Davis and OJ Howard in that order. Would love to see Fournette and Ingram in the backfield at the same time. Thunder and Lighting, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Eye of the Hurricane, Ground Swell, Yin and Yang, Beast Twins, Jab and Knockout.

Pete and Repeat, Shock and Awe...

jlouhill 03-19-2017 09:49 AM

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I would say Fournette but he will be long gone by 11. McCaffery is my choice.

hagan714 03-19-2017 10:09 AM

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Deshaun Watson is the clear cut #1 QB IMO and i do not see him getting out of the top 5

O.J. Howard as every one knows is my pick at 11 no matter what

Leonard Fournette - This pick changes everything so much. You just drafted the future face of your franchise. Throw away all those needs based draft based on defense early and often. The offense would have to be aggressive in the draft to make this work. Fournette needs running room in the backfield to get that head of steam up. You gotta keep teams from stacking the box

- Future ROT with ability to start day one if needed.
32 - Garret Bolles OT/OG/DT Utah

- Cooks replacement would become top priority at the #2 WR position to keep teams out of the box.
42 - Chris Godwin WR Penn St

- Blocking TE upgrades
Michael Roberts TE, Toledo?

- A Solid back up FB
Freddie Stevenson FB Florida State?

Then there is the effect on Ingram games. I know drew could live with all the moves to make this pick work

Christian McCaffrey because he a complementary addition at so many positions and would not keep cut into starters snap counts as much.


Mike Williams
- I am still hung up on that neck injury

Corey Davis - Is a gamble But what a #2 he would make if he can make the leap.

rezburna 03-19-2017 10:09 AM

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Deshaun Watson

Beastmode 03-19-2017 11:03 AM

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McCaffrey. Would like a shot at Fournette but ain't gonna happen. McCaffrey would work well in our system. I would also consider a QB but I think McCaffrey would make money for us immediately.

Crusader 03-19-2017 11:10 AM

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Fournette.. Nobody comes even close to second in my book. he is the type of runner that reminds me of Deuce, speed, power and all.

Beastmode 03-19-2017 12:06 PM

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LF is closer to Blount to me but stronger and faster and much better hands. I have no idea why a team would pass on a young Blount or AP that potentially could be even better than them.

I would even trade 11 and 32 if I could get him. Why go defense when he is going to keep our defense off the field IMO and wear theirs out.

SaintFanInATLHELL 03-19-2017 12:09 PM

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I'm still not playing. I'd pick a defensive end or linebacker BPA.

SFIAH

Beastmode 03-19-2017 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 741515)
I'm still not playing. I'd pick a defensive end or linebacker BPA.

SFIAH

I felt the same way but after watching old videos of young Blount and AP and the Pats, especially this year in the RZ. Blount was money almost every single time. Only 2 games he did not score and hit paydirt 18 times. Very difficult stopping that big man.

SaintFanInATLHELL 03-19-2017 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 741532)
I felt the same way but after watching old videos of young Blount and AP and the Pats, especially this year in the RZ. Blount was money almost every single time. Only 2 games he did not score and hit paydirt 18 times. Very difficult stopping that big man.

Fact: The Saints ranks in scoring: 2nd in 2016, 8th in 2015, 9th in 2014 each above 25 PPG (with 29+ PPG last season)

Fact: The defensive scoring ranks: 31st, 32nd, 28th respectively (each above 26 PPG)

Fact: 7-9 each season.

It's pretty easy to conclude that improving the offense is not likely to result in more wins. Let's look at the 2013 numbers in comparison:

Offense: 10th @ 25.9 PPG Defense: 4th at 19 PPG Record: 11-5 and a playoff bearth.

Hmmm. I wonder what's different here... It's not the offense, which scoringwise has been better the last 3 years as opposed to 2013.

I'll be blunt: Picking offense is dumb. We don't need QB and we have 2 left tackles. There's simply no offensive position that currently requires a first round pick to fill.

I'd be perfectly happy if the Saints expended every pick on defensive players to help improve the defense.

SFIAH

voodooido 03-19-2017 03:46 PM

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There is no way you watched one college game last year if you don't pick LF7 there. The guy is a flat out beast. Best rb in years and will show that his rookie year. Imagine if he had coach O all 3 years! A true pro style offense where the qb has the chance to throw more than 5 times a game. No 9 men in th box every play. This kid is going to be a better version of Eddie George.

Lord_Saint83 03-19-2017 04:34 PM

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If LF showed out against Alabama i can say yea pick him if he is there but he laid an egg every year against the closes pro team defense he would face in college plus injury history pick the best defensive player available. It dont matter if we score 50 a game when the d gives up 51

MarchingOn 03-19-2017 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 741514)
LF is closer to Blount to me but stronger and faster and much better hands. I have no idea why a team would pass on a young Blount or AP that potentially could be even better than them.

I would even trade 11 and 32 if I could get him. Why go defense when he is going to keep our defense off the field IMO and wear theirs out.

We should not have passed on Blount in the 7th round when we could have had him.

Nor OL L. Colins in the 7th another year when we could've had him.

All the silly GMs were scared off for silly reasons.

jeanpierre 03-19-2017 05:48 PM

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QB Mitchell Trubiskey, North Carolina
OT Ryan Ramczyk Wisconsin
RB Christian McCaffrey

lee909 03-19-2017 05:51 PM

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All the silly GMs were scared off because his agent said if he wasn't signed by round 2 he would sit out for a year before re-entering the draft a year later.

ScottF 03-19-2017 05:56 PM

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I hate the entire idea of this.
We've tried the best-offense / worst-defense combo for three years now and have 21 wins to show for it. Enough with the toys.

voodooido 03-19-2017 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 741552)
If LF showed out against Alabama i can say yea pick him if he is there but he laid an egg every year against the closes pro team defense he would face in college plus injury history pick the best defensive player available. It dont matter if we score 50 a game when the d gives up 51

Walter Payton could not have "shown out" against the gumps when they had 9 or 10 in the box. Bama stopped EVERY rb the past 2 years. LF&7only avg games were played against bama. LF7 is the best RB to come out since AP. If we pass on him we will be kincking ourselves for the next 9-13 years.

Lord_Saint83 03-19-2017 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 741565)
Walter Payton could not have "shown out" against the gumps when they had 9 or 10 in the box. Bama stopped EVERY rb the past 2 years. LF&7only avg games were played against bama. LF7 is the best RB to come out since AP. If we pass on him we will be kincking ourselves for the next 9-13 years.


He'll be good but not AP good and are you saying LF will play in the league for 9-13 years cause if thats the case i bet a paycheck he won't play that long. He's too injury prone and runs too hard. I think guise is better than him.

jeanpierre 03-19-2017 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 741565)
Walter Payton could not have "shown out" against the gumps when they had 9 or 10 in the box. Bama stopped EVERY rb the past 2 years. LF&7only avg games were played against bama. LF7 is the best RB to come out since AP. If we pass on him we will be kincking ourselves for the next 9-13 years.

Yes, Walter Payton could have and he did some of his best work on a Bears roster that had nothing till Jim Finks took over the Bears and then hired Mike Ditka and Buddy Ryan...

Ashley 03-19-2017 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 741509)
Fournette.. Nobody comes even close to second in my book. he is the type of runner that reminds me of Deuce, speed, power and all.

But he will be gone at 11.

Beastmode 03-19-2017 09:34 PM

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He won't be there and really nobody else is worth picking on that side at 11. Just praying we don't go berserk and move up. We really need these two picks on D. A solid DE and CB. If those are the only two picks that pan out we can likely make the playoffs. Also that LF stays out of our division and even better the whole conference. Looking like Panthers won't have a shot unless they pony up.

halloween 65 03-19-2017 09:40 PM

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If I'm going O at 11, we need a TE. Howard would be my pick.

MatthewT 03-20-2017 05:09 AM

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I would have to agree with what many of us feel is the obvious, Fournette falls to 11 and it's a wrap, TE Howard would be my second option.

Crusader 03-20-2017 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 741577)
But he will be gone at 11.

I know :-(

jeanpierre 03-20-2017 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 741509)
Fournette.. Nobody comes even close to second in my book. he is the type of runner that reminds me of Deuce, speed, power and all.

If Dalvin Cook didn't have the medical questions, I'd bet money he'd go before Fournette...

And if Fournette isn't off the board by 12, don't be surprised if McCaffrey goes before him...

Fournette hasn't looked good lately between his last season at State and the water weight at the combine...

voodooido 03-20-2017 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 741624)
If Dalvin Cook didn't have the medical questions, I'd bet money he'd go before Fournette...

And if Fournette isn't off the board by 12, don't be surprised if McCaffrey goes before him...

Fournette hasn't looked good lately between his last season at State and the water weight at the combine...

Did you watch and of LF7 or cooks games? Cook does not have half the talent of LF. I live for college football and watched both teams often. Those two should not even be in the same sentence. Cook is an MI type rb and LF is going to prove he is a faster my agile version of Eddie George.

AsylumGuido 03-20-2017 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 741658)
Did you watch and of LF7 or cooks games? Cook does not have half the talent of LF. I live for college football and watched both teams often. Those two should not even be in the same sentence. Cook is an MI type rb and LF is going to prove he is a faster my agile version of Eddie George.

And Mixon is likely better than both of them.

halloween 65 03-20-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 741660)
And Mixon is likely better than both of them.

I'm a big fan of Mixon. I think we could get him in a later round, I don't think he would go in the 1st with the off field k.o. of that girl, even with what she did to him.

Utah_Saint 03-20-2017 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 741553)
...Nor OL L. Colins in the 7th another year when we could've had him.

All the silly GMs were scared off for silly reasons.

I'm sure every team regrets not picking Collins now. But at the time, his agent announced that if he wasn't picked by the second day, he would sit the year out and wait for the next years draft. Between the murder investigation and the threat of sitting out, nobody wanted to risk a high round pick on him.

lee909 03-20-2017 01:17 PM

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Nothing will convince me thst Collins agent had not spoke to Dallas after he wasn't drafted in R1. All them reports he wouldn't sign etc got leaked then immediately signed by the Cowboys post draft.

The Dude 03-20-2017 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 741489)
Fournette, Corey Davis and OJ Howard in that order. Would love to see Fournette and Ingram in the backfield at the same time. Thunder and Lighting, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Eye of the Hurricane, Ground Swell, Yin and Yang, Beast Twins, Jab and Knockout.

For Christ sake why is everyone so hell bent on Fournette. He would be one of the worst possible players for this team. He has no value here. Take the purple and gold glasses off. We have always been fine finding the type of committee RB we need off the street. I don't think he will be a good NFL running back anyway.

voodooido 03-20-2017 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 741660)
And Mixon is likely better than both of them.


I like Mixon but I did not see enough to really make that determination. He reminds me of Dominic Davis. He will likely go in the 3rd and will be a steal if thats the case.

voodooido 03-20-2017 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 741693)
For Christ sake why is everyone so hell bent on Fournette. He would be one of the worst possible players for this team. He has no value here. Take the purple and gold glasses off. We have always been fine finding the type of committee RB we need off the street. I don't think he will be a good NFL running back anyway.

He would of went to Kent St. and I would love to have him in NO. Does not matter where the kid played he is awesome. Destroyed all compition but the gumps. We drafted Duece when we had Williams. This could be the same.

spkb25 03-20-2017 04:31 PM

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I wouldn't draft Larry Fournette

WillSaints81 03-20-2017 10:20 PM

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Anyone saying Watson...........get real.

SaintFanInATLHELL 03-21-2017 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 741761)
Anyone saying any offensive player...........get real.

FIFY

SFIAH


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