Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler

|Mitch| · 03-30-2017, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

According to one source nobody involved thought the #11 pick was ever in play. That includes Belichick.

I'm sure the #11 had to come up in conversation at some point... To me though; Butler isn't even worth the #32...

burningmetal · 03-30-2017, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

According to one source nobody involved thought the #11 pick was ever in play. That includes Belichick.

This "one source" person is going to have to provide proof of this claim. If the Saints say they won't trade #11, but haven't mentioned #32, then it stands to reason that if they can't come together on a deal for a player the Saints clearly covet (for whatever reasons), then the Patriots are likely trying to get that #11 pick. If they can't get that, then you can bet they will be asking for the Saints to pony up on extra picks, either in this draft or next year's. Neither of those things would be wise for a short cornerback who has succedeed only for a short period of time on a team that is notorious for making average players look like stars, in my humble opinion. It's why the Pats are always so willing to trade guys away. They know they don't need them.

How any NFL team can still fall for this same trick by the Patriots, is beyond me. Learn a lesson, and stay away from the Patriots.

AsylumGuido · 03-30-2017, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

This "one source" person is going to have to provide proof of this claim. If the Saints say they won't trade #11, but haven't mentioned #32, then it stands to reason that if they can't come together on a deal for a player the Saints clearly covet (for whatever reasons), then the Patriots are likely trying to get that #11 pick. If they can't get that, then you can bet they will be asking for the Saints to pony up on extra picks, either in this draft or next year's. Neither of those things would be wise for a short cornerback who has succedeed only for a short period of time on a team that is notorious for making average players look like stars, in my humble opinion. It's why the Pats are always so willing to trade guys away. They know they don't need them.

How any NFL team can still fall for this same trick by the Patriots, is beyond me. Learn a lesson, and stay away from the Patriots.

If the #11 was in play the Saints could have simply signed him to an offer sheet. Since they wouldn't Belichick would logically know #11 wasn't an option. If the #11 isn't an option then nothing matters until Butler signs the waiver. THAT is the holdup. Nothing can happen until then. You can only negotiate to trade (within the rules) a player that is currently under contract. Butler isn't.

K Major · 03-30-2017, 10:20 AM

As previous posters have stated, giving up pick #11 wasn't even an option.

My most recent wish list at #11 :

Reuben Foster (assuming Cincy passes on him) - LB extraordinaire
Takkarist McKinley - DE
Solomon Thomas - DE (I don't think he gets past San Fran)

rezburna · 03-30-2017, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

As previous posters have stated, giving up pick #11 wasn't even an option.

My most recent wish list at #11 :

Reuben Foster (assuming Cincy passes on him) - LB extraordinaire
Takkarist McKinley - DE
Solomon Thomas - DE (I don't think he gets past San Fran)

Pick 11: Reuben Foster
Pick 32: Tre'davious White

^That would make my day.

lee909 · 03-30-2017, 10:36 AM

Dont want McKinley at 11
I dont think he is bog enough or has the power to set the edge. Looks more a 3-4LB than 4-3 DE

K Major · 03-30-2017, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Dont want McKinley at 11
I dont think he is bog enough or has the power to set the edge. Looks more a 3-4LB than 4-3 DE

The way our defensive scheme flip flops, probably won't even matter

.

|Mitch| · 03-30-2017, 11:17 AM

I'm hoping Dennis Allen sticks around awhile; at least then we know we'll stay a 4-3

CheramieIII · 03-30-2017, 10:36 AM

We would never do that. Hell we could get a great CB at #11 and skip the high priced contract!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-30-2017, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

We would never do that. Hell we could get a great CB at #11 and delay the high priced contract!

FIFY

SFIAH

03-30-2017, 03:58 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler Originally Posted by AsylumGuido According to one source nobody involved thought the #11 pick was ever in play. That includes Belichick. This "one source" person is going to have to provide proof of this claim. If the Saints say they won't trade #11, but haven't mentioned #32, then it stands to reason that if they can't come together on a deal for a player the Saints clearly covet (for whatever reasons), then the Patriots are likely trying to get that #11 pick. If they can't get that, then you can bet they will be asking for the Saints to pony up on extra picks, either in this draft or next year's. Neither of those things would be wise for a short cornerback who has succedeed only for a short period of time on a team that is notorious for making average players look like stars, in my humble opinion. It's why the Pats are always so willing to trade guys away. They know they don't need them. How any NFL team can still fall for this same trick by the Patriots, is beyond me. Learn a lesson, and stay away from the Patriots.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-30-2017, 10:20 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler As previous posters have stated, giving up pick #11 wasn't even an option. My most recent wish list at #11 : Reuben Foster (assuming Cincy passes on him) - LB extraordinaire Takkarist McKinley - DE Solomon Thomas - DE (I don't think he gets past San Fran)

03-30-2017, 02:39 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,094	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler Originally Posted by K Major As previous posters have stated, giving up pick #11 wasn't even an option. My most recent wish list at #11 : Reuben Foster (assuming Cincy passes on him) - LB extraordinaire Takkarist McKinley - DE Solomon Thomas - DE (I don't think he gets past San Fran) Pick 11: Reuben Foster Pick 32: Tre'davious White ^That would make my day. AllSaints likes this.

03-30-2017, 10:36 AM	#6
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler Dont want McKinley at 11 I dont think he is bog enough or has the power to set the edge. Looks more a 3-4LB than 4-3 DE

03-30-2017, 10:56 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler Originally Posted by lee909 Dont want McKinley at 11 I dont think he is bog enough or has the power to set the edge. Looks more a 3-4LB than 4-3 DE The way our defensive scheme flip flops, probably won't even matter .

03-30-2017, 02:09 PM	#1
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler Originally Posted by AsylumGuido According to one source nobody involved thought the #11 pick was ever in play. That includes Belichick. I'm sure the #11 had to come up in conversation at some point... To me though; Butler isn't even worth the #32... burningmetal and shawnkytonk like this.

03-30-2017, 04:12 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler Originally Posted by burningmetal This "one source" person is going to have to provide proof of this claim. If the Saints say they won't trade #11, but haven't mentioned #32, then it stands to reason that if they can't come together on a deal for a player the Saints clearly covet (for whatever reasons), then the Patriots are likely trying to get that #11 pick. If they can't get that, then you can bet they will be asking for the Saints to pony up on extra picks, either in this draft or next year's. Neither of those things would be wise for a short cornerback who has succedeed only for a short period of time on a team that is notorious for making average players look like stars, in my humble opinion. It's why the Pats are always so willing to trade guys away. They know they don't need them. How any NFL team can still fall for this same trick by the Patriots, is beyond me. Learn a lesson, and stay away from the Patriots. If the #11 was in play the Saints could have simply signed him to an offer sheet. Since they wouldn't Belichick would logically know #11 wasn't an option. If the #11 isn't an option then nothing matters until Butler signs the waiver. THAT is the holdup. Nothing can happen until then. You can only negotiate to trade (within the rules) a player that is currently under contract. Butler isn't.

03-30-2017, 11:17 AM	#8
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler I'm hoping Dennis Allen sticks around awhile; at least then we know we'll stay a 4-3

03-30-2017, 10:36 AM	#9
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,496 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler We would never do that. Hell we could get a great CB at #11 and skip the high priced contract!

03-30-2017, 12:05 PM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler Originally Posted by CheramieIII We would never do that. Hell we could get a great CB at #11 and delay the high priced contract! FIFY SFIAH

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