Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler

st thomas · 03-30-2017, 08:28 AM

good job payton. hold your ground, belichek was sure u were giving him #1 pick. pess on him, lets move on.

AsylumGuido · 03-30-2017, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

good job payton. hold your ground, belichek was sure u were giving him #1 pick. pess on him, lets move on.

According to one source nobody involved thought the #11 pick was ever in play. That includes Belichick.

|Mitch| · 03-30-2017, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

According to one source nobody involved thought the #11 pick was ever in play. That includes Belichick.

I'm sure the #11 had to come up in conversation at some point... To me though; Butler isn't even worth the #32...

burningmetal · 03-30-2017, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

According to one source nobody involved thought the #11 pick was ever in play. That includes Belichick.

This "one source" person is going to have to provide proof of this claim. If the Saints say they won't trade #11, but haven't mentioned #32, then it stands to reason that if they can't come together on a deal for a player the Saints clearly covet (for whatever reasons), then the Patriots are likely trying to get that #11 pick. If they can't get that, then you can bet they will be asking for the Saints to pony up on extra picks, either in this draft or next year's. Neither of those things would be wise for a short cornerback who has succedeed only for a short period of time on a team that is notorious for making average players look like stars, in my humble opinion. It's why the Pats are always so willing to trade guys away. They know they don't need them.

How any NFL team can still fall for this same trick by the Patriots, is beyond me. Learn a lesson, and stay away from the Patriots.

AsylumGuido · 03-30-2017, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

This "one source" person is going to have to provide proof of this claim. If the Saints say they won't trade #11, but haven't mentioned #32, then it stands to reason that if they can't come together on a deal for a player the Saints clearly covet (for whatever reasons), then the Patriots are likely trying to get that #11 pick. If they can't get that, then you can bet they will be asking for the Saints to pony up on extra picks, either in this draft or next year's. Neither of those things would be wise for a short cornerback who has succedeed only for a short period of time on a team that is notorious for making average players look like stars, in my humble opinion. It's why the Pats are always so willing to trade guys away. They know they don't need them.

How any NFL team can still fall for this same trick by the Patriots, is beyond me. Learn a lesson, and stay away from the Patriots.

If the #11 was in play the Saints could have simply signed him to an offer sheet. Since they wouldn't Belichick would logically know #11 wasn't an option. If the #11 isn't an option then nothing matters until Butler signs the waiver. THAT is the holdup. Nothing can happen until then. You can only negotiate to trade (within the rules) a player that is currently under contract. Butler isn't.

03-30-2017, 01:25 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler Originally Posted by st thomas good job payton. hold your ground, belichek was sure u were giving him #1 pick. pess on him, lets move on. According to one source nobody involved thought the #11 pick was ever in play. That includes Belichick.

03-30-2017, 03:58 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler Originally Posted by AsylumGuido According to one source nobody involved thought the #11 pick was ever in play. That includes Belichick. This "one source" person is going to have to provide proof of this claim. If the Saints say they won't trade #11, but haven't mentioned #32, then it stands to reason that if they can't come together on a deal for a player the Saints clearly covet (for whatever reasons), then the Patriots are likely trying to get that #11 pick. If they can't get that, then you can bet they will be asking for the Saints to pony up on extra picks, either in this draft or next year's. Neither of those things would be wise for a short cornerback who has succedeed only for a short period of time on a team that is notorious for making average players look like stars, in my humble opinion. It's why the Pats are always so willing to trade guys away. They know they don't need them. How any NFL team can still fall for this same trick by the Patriots, is beyond me. Learn a lesson, and stay away from the Patriots.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-30-2017, 04:12 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler Originally Posted by burningmetal This "one source" person is going to have to provide proof of this claim. If the Saints say they won't trade #11, but haven't mentioned #32, then it stands to reason that if they can't come together on a deal for a player the Saints clearly covet (for whatever reasons), then the Patriots are likely trying to get that #11 pick. If they can't get that, then you can bet they will be asking for the Saints to pony up on extra picks, either in this draft or next year's. Neither of those things would be wise for a short cornerback who has succedeed only for a short period of time on a team that is notorious for making average players look like stars, in my humble opinion. It's why the Pats are always so willing to trade guys away. They know they don't need them. How any NFL team can still fall for this same trick by the Patriots, is beyond me. Learn a lesson, and stay away from the Patriots. If the #11 was in play the Saints could have simply signed him to an offer sheet. Since they wouldn't Belichick would logically know #11 wasn't an option. If the #11 isn't an option then nothing matters until Butler signs the waiver. THAT is the holdup. Nothing can happen until then. You can only negotiate to trade (within the rules) a player that is currently under contract. Butler isn't.

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler good job payton. hold your ground, belichek was sure u were giving him #1 pick. pess on him, lets move on.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Payton not willing to give up #11 for Butler Originally Posted by AsylumGuido According to one source nobody involved thought the #11 pick was ever in play. That includes Belichick. I'm sure the #11 had to come up in conversation at some point... To me though; Butler isn't even worth the #32... burningmetal and shawnkytonk like this.