If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid
 

Mar. 22 - The Steelers' top priority next month will be signing wide receiver Hines Ward to a contract extension, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports. "We'll probably start that discussion sometime after the draft," team president Art Rooney told the newspaper. Ward will earn $1,668,750 this season.

Holy crap. And Joe would only have made 4.7 mil without a new contract. Poor Joe. And yes I do think Ward is better than Joe. ;)

If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid
 

Bravo whodi, bravo!

Hines Ward is widely considered, pound for pound, the best football player in the league, and probably the most respected. It\'s been said that he could play any position on the field if he wanted.

He is a great blocker downfield, and he\'s not too shabby a reciever either. ;) But some will say that since Joe put up better STATS than most recievers that he is better than most recievers and he\'s indispensable.

If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid
 

hines ward had a better offensive line too allowing big ben more time to throw to him. their defense wasnt on the field all the time either so he got more opportunities. and he didnt put up the numbers as joe even with that.

If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid
 

The Steelers are a run first team, and Hines has still managed to be near the top in receiving, even before Big Ben. In 2001 he had 94 catches 1003 yards and 4 tds(wasn\'t Kordell Stewart there then?), but they ran the bus. in 2002 he had 112 catches with 1329 yards and 12 Tds still with Kordell half the year, and Maddox the majority. In 2003 95 catches 1163 yards and 10 tds. 2004 80 catches 1004 yards 4 tds, and is regarded as GT said as one of the best all around FOOTBALL players, not just receivers, in the league. Annualy wins the tough man award for toughest receiver from both his peers and media. And somehow he ISN\"T better than Joe? Kelley, say it ain\'t so. Unless I am missing the sarcasm.

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:xxrotflmao:

yup, ya did

how bout...
joe horn is the best receiver in the history of the saints.

[Edited on 23/3/2005 by LKelley67]

If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid
 

I think the point is that Joe is making a fair salary. One cannot compare stats between the 2 because the 2 teams are completely different -- different styles -- qbs -- etc. I guess the main question is who would one rather have on their team -- Joe or Hines -- Now ask that same question and compare to who when their salary is taken into account -- now add attitude, leadership and mouth into the picture -- WhoDi you just depressed me --

If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid
 

Damn you KELLEY!!!!! *whodi shakes his fist angrily* or why you little like Homer Simpson. Choose one, and feel bad that I looked up all that info. :P

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I totally missed the sarcasm here...I was about to get all riled up....I had to edit this post. :)

[Edited on 23/3/2005 by GoldenTomb]

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So you just let me do it huh GT? lol You guys suck.

Sorry 4saint, just wanted to inject a little perspective into our Joe is starving talks. He has made more over the past 3 years than Hines has come close to, and I know that from Steelers fans talking about what Hines has been paid and when he will get a new deal.

If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid
 

This thread must be where all the smart people are going to post about Joe Horn. I\'m glad I came in. I\'ve been battling with Joe Lovers all day! It\'s good to finally be among some people who know their head from a hole in the ground. :D

If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid
 

Hines Ward
Salary History

2001 825000.00
2002 1668750.00
2003 1668750.00
2004 1668750.00
4 year total- $5,831,250
2005 1668750.00
Grand Total- $7.5 million

Joe Horn
2001 500000.00
2002 1700000.00
2003 700000.00
2004 700000.00
4 Year Total- $3,600,000
2005 3800000.00
Grand Total- $7.4 million

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So, in your words, people who A. Don\'t agree with you and B. are Joe Lovers, are ignorant (or don\'t know their head from a hole in the ground)? Interesting....
Your name wouldn\'t happen to be Dale Carnegie, would it?

[Edited on 23/3/2005 by BlackandBlue]

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You\'d be right.

Ward - 2001-2005

Total Receptions: 381
Total Yards: 4,499
Total TDs: 30
Total 20+: 65
Total 40+: 6

Total Compensation: $5.831 Million



Horn - 2001-2005

Total Receptions: 383
Total Yards: 4,949
Total TDs: 37
Total 20+: 74
Total 40+: 19

Total Compensation: $3.6 Million

So, b/c Horn has 500 more yards on 2 more catches, 9 more 20+ yard gains, and 13 more 40+ yard gains... and 7 more TDs, does that mean he\'s not only more productive, but also more explosive than Ward... yet he\'s made more than $2 million less over the last 4 years. Yeah - that makes perfect sense. I guess it\'s the system right. The Saints system allows for more big plays than Pittsburgh\'s over the last 4 years right? LOL. Got any other well thought out ideas?

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WhoDat, you don\'t think Horn is better than Ward do you?
Putting all the stupid meaningless stats aside, would you rather have Horn or Ward?

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No not Dale Carnegie. Also, people who don\'t agree with me aren\'t ignorant, just wrong. I don\'t actually mean every word I type in a post. Sometimes I\'m joking with people. ;)

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I would take Hines on my team any day. I would argue that he is underpaid relative to what some other guys are getting.
Again, I\'m pretty sure Jerome Pathon made 2.5 million last year.

I think Joe makes a fair salary. And I think Hines as an all around player is every bit as good as Horn. Horn puts up better numbers but there aren\'t alot of balls flying around in Pitt and Hines is perfect for their system.

I\'m with everyone that Joe should shut his yap about the salary thing. I just stated that I didn\'t think he was out of his mind for looking at some other salaries and getting greedy.

Hey, I\'d love to make 250K.....but these guys live in a different world. I just hope they can make Horn happy with a salary that is fair to the team. I would also say that Hines is a mighty fine way to spend that amount of money and he\'ll probably have a monster year with PLax gone.

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Depends on a lot of things Danno. I\'ll say this. Ward is more talented and has better potential b/c he\'s still young. Horn is more productive right now. Since I think the Saints window is closing - and is probabl only another year or two before it\'s do-over time, I\'d take either. :)

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I understand that He would be a huge cap hit...

But, the Offense needs him in order to survive...

If we had another top 5 receiver to go to.it wouldn\'t be a problem...but, We don\'t have those things...

If Horn goes now, We are screwed...Stallworth and Henderson aren\'t going to draw the Safeties enough to give us space for the RB and TE to make plays...Neither one is scary enough to draw much double coverage...

And in the West Coast Offense, Your RB and TE are key...especially now since the Offense has been \'\'restructured\'\' to be more dink and dunk..and more power running...

We have got to have him here until we get a Legitimate replacement, Not because He\'s the best Receiver in our clubs history, but because We have GOT to have a top WR to make our Offense work...and without him...We lack that element..and our Offesne will fail..

Unless you truley think Stallworth, or Henderson can be at the very least a top 10 WR?...I have hope for Stallworht..but, He is too unpredictable..like the AB of the WR\'s..and Henderson is a virtual unknown...

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Wow, and I thought Gumbo was bad about AB. Just, wow.

If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid
 

Yea but ward is a helluva lot better at run blockin than Joe