Saints Possible Options At Pick No. 11

K Major · 04-14-2017, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Malik McDowell has big character concerns and doesn't really try on the field.

NFL team says Malik McDowell's interview was combine's worst

Michigan State interior pass rusher Malik McDowell entered the NFL Combine as one of event's most polarizing prospects and exits as a plyer who didn't leave a great impression with several teams, according to Yahoo Sports.
“Worst interview we did," one NFL team told Yahoo Sports' Eric Edholm.
“Awful interview. Awful," another reportedly said.

NFL Network draft analyst: 'No effort' from MSU's Malik McDowell

“Just no effort,” Jeremiah said on a conference call Wednesday. “To me, he’s a tough one. All the ability in the world – he’s got as much upside as any defensive linemen in the draft because you see him dominate at times. He just isn’t consistent.”

This is why you take him off your draft board.

ChrisXVI · 04-14-2017, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

This is why you take him off your draft board.

He's essentially what everyone feared about Nick Fairley. However, Fairley has grown up. McDowell would probably be the Fairley that Lions fans complained about.

halloween 65 · 04-16-2017, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

This is why you take him off your draft board.

I wouldn't take him off the draft board but this is why he doesn't go in the 1st round. Every draft pick is a huge gamble but if I'm in that war room come draft day and a talent like McDowell is there in the 2nd I pull the trigger in a heartbeat, get him on a cheap rookie contract, coach him up, let the players help out with motovating him and watch a monster come alive. He's damn good there is no denying that, much more potential than players going higher than him.

K Major · 04-16-2017, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

He's damn good there is no denying that, much more potential than players going higher than him.

You don't draft potential at pick 11. You draft production and hope for the best.

jeanpierre · 04-16-2017, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

You don't draft potential at pick 11. You draft production and hope for the best.

I'd take that a step further, you draft an impact, immediate starter at No. 11 and a ProBowler within two seasons...

And if you're just hoping for the best with the pick and not being confident and right with the pick, you need another vocation...

halloween 65 · 04-16-2017, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

You don't draft potential at pick 11. You draft production and hope for the best.

Since he's not going at 11, no worries then. The only player at 11 that is a solid sure thing is OJ, players like Foster, Barnett and I'll even throw Peppers in there, you hoping for the best but each of those have potential. So do we draft a sure thing or a player with potential at 11?

jeanpierre · 04-17-2017, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Since he's not going at 11, no worries then. The only player at 11 that is a solid sure thing is OJ, players like Foster, Barnett and I'll even throw Peppers in there, you hoping for the best but each of those have potential. So do we draft a sure thing or a player with potential at 11?

OJ is no sure thing. One season and he was never gonna learn the full route tree nor have prolific numbers in a Nick Saban offense...

With Bama players it's definitely a 50-50 boom or bust...

Look at last year's draft, we were talking about two D-linemen going in the Top 15 and they were lucky they got picked by the end of the second round...

Nick's got a proven system for Nick and Bama's success, not necessarily developing NFL prospects, Bama's NFL prospects were NFL prospects before they stepped foot on campus...

K Major · 04-17-2017, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

With Bama players it's definitely a 50-50 boom or bust...

IDK JP,

Over the last few years, I've seen quite a few Bama players make an impact at the elite level. Specifically on defense.

AsylumGuido · 04-17-2017, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

IDK JP,

Over the last few years, I've seen quite a few Bama players make an impact at the elite level. Specifically on defense.

I think that's what he was saying. All or nothing. For every one that makes elite impact there is one that was supposed to make that sort of impact but fizzled out. No way to tell until they are under fire in the league.

halloween 65 · 04-17-2017, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

OJ is no sure thing. One season and he was never gonna learn the full route tree nor have prolific numbers in a Nick Saban offense...

With Bama players it's definitely a 50-50 boom or bust...

Look at last year's draft, we were talking about two D-linemen going in the Top 15 and they were lucky they got picked by the end of the second round...

Nick's got a proven system for Nick and Bama's success, not necessarily developing NFL prospects, Bama's NFL prospects were NFL prospects before they stepped foot on campus...

I totally disagree about OJ not being a sure thing with the type of O Payton has set up. He becomes an immediate red zone threat and can due it all, block, catch , runs good routes, has speed and has size. Perfect compliment for the O if you ask me.Fleener and his contract could be history next season with this pick at #11 and the O becomes a quick strike O again and in the 3rd go after Mixon and it's a O that is feared again. I also would take the Ole Miss qb. in the 5th to groom.

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04-14-2017, 04:58 PM	#2
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints Possible Options At Pick No. 11 Originally Posted by K Major This is why you take him off your draft board. He's essentially what everyone feared about Nick Fairley. However, Fairley has grown up. McDowell would probably be the Fairley that Lions fans complained about.

04-16-2017, 04:03 AM	#3
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Possible Options At Pick No. 11 Originally Posted by K Major This is why you take him off your draft board. I wouldn't take him off the draft board but this is why he doesn't go in the 1st round. Every draft pick is a huge gamble but if I'm in that war room come draft day and a talent like McDowell is there in the 2nd I pull the trigger in a heartbeat, get him on a cheap rookie contract, coach him up, let the players help out with motovating him and watch a monster come alive. He's damn good there is no denying that, much more potential than players going higher than him.

04-16-2017, 08:35 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Possible Options At Pick No. 11 Originally Posted by halloween 65 He's damn good there is no denying that, much more potential than players going higher than him. You don't draft potential at pick 11. You draft production and hope for the best.

04-16-2017, 08:41 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Possible Options At Pick No. 11 Originally Posted by K Major You don't draft potential at pick 11. You draft production and hope for the best. I'd take that a step further, you draft an *impact, immediate starter at No. 11* and a ProBowler within two seasons... And if you're just hoping for the best with the pick and not being confident and right with the pick, you need another vocation... SaintFanQ and Seer1 like this.

04-14-2017, 04:37 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Possible Options At Pick No. 11 Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Malik McDowell has big character concerns and doesn't really try on the field. NFL team says Malik McDowell's interview was combine's worst Michigan State interior pass rusher Malik McDowell entered the NFL Combine as one of event's most polarizing prospects and exits as a plyer who didn't leave a great impression with several teams, according to Yahoo Sports. “Worst interview we did," one NFL team told Yahoo Sports' Eric Edholm. “Awful interview. Awful," another reportedly said. NFL Network draft analyst: 'No effort' from MSU's Malik McDowell “Just no effort,” Jeremiah said on a conference call Wednesday. “To me, he’s a tough one. All the ability in the world – he’s got as much upside as any defensive linemen in the draft because you see him dominate at times. He just isn’t consistent.” This is why you take him off your draft board. hagan714 likes this.

04-16-2017, 01:20 PM	#6
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Possible Options At Pick No. 11 Originally Posted by K Major You don't draft potential at pick 11. You draft production and hope for the best. Since he's not going at 11, no worries then. The only player at 11 that is a solid sure thing is OJ, players like Foster, Barnett and I'll even throw Peppers in there, you hoping for the best but each of those have potential. So do we draft a sure thing or a player with potential at 11?

04-17-2017, 06:11 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Possible Options At Pick No. 11 Originally Posted by halloween 65 Since he's not going at 11, no worries then. The only player at 11 that is a solid sure thing is OJ, players like Foster, Barnett and I'll even throw Peppers in there, you hoping for the best but each of those have potential. So do we draft a sure thing or a player with potential at 11? OJ is no sure thing. One season and he was never gonna learn the full route tree nor have prolific numbers in a Nick Saban offense... With Bama players it's definitely a 50-50 boom or bust... Look at last year's draft, we were talking about two D-linemen going in the Top 15 and they were lucky they got picked by the end of the second round... Nick's got a proven system for Nick and Bama's success, not necessarily developing NFL prospects, Bama's NFL prospects were NFL prospects before they stepped foot on campus...
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04-17-2017, 08:17 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Possible Options At Pick No. 11 Originally Posted by jeanpierre With Bama players it's definitely a 50-50 boom or bust... IDK JP, Over the last few years, I've seen quite a few Bama players make an impact at the elite level. Specifically on defense. halloween 65 likes this.

04-17-2017, 08:54 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: Saints Possible Options At Pick No. 11 Originally Posted by K Major IDK JP, Over the last few years, I've seen quite a few Bama players make an impact at the elite level. Specifically on defense. I think that's what he was saying. All or nothing. For every one that makes elite impact there is one that was supposed to make that sort of impact but fizzled out. No way to tell until they are under fire in the league.

04-17-2017, 03:32 PM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Possible Options At Pick No. 11 Originally Posted by jeanpierre OJ is no sure thing. One season and he was never gonna learn the full route tree nor have prolific numbers in a Nick Saban offense... With Bama players it's definitely a 50-50 boom or bust... Look at last year's draft, we were talking about two D-linemen going in the Top 15 and they were lucky they got picked by the end of the second round... Nick's got a proven system for Nick and Bama's success, not necessarily developing NFL prospects, Bama's NFL prospects were NFL prospects before they stepped foot on campus... I totally disagree about OJ not being a sure thing with the type of O Payton has set up. He becomes an immediate red zone threat and can due it all, block, catch , runs good routes, has speed and has size. Perfect compliment for the O if you ask me.Fleener and his contract could be history next season with this pick at #11 and the O becomes a quick strike O again and in the 3rd go after Mixon and it's a O that is feared again. I also would take the Ole Miss qb. in the 5th to groom.

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