Drew Brees calls Brandin Cooks trade “one of those unfortunate things”

Rugby Saint II · 07-09-2017, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

In the lions game, Cooks issues were more on Brees because the running game suffered. The lions also had a pass rusher named Ezekiel Ansah. This has been Brees' biggest weakness. He can pick apart a secondary but he cannot beat elite pass rushers on teams that stop the run.

Seriously? It's on Drew Brees because Cooks dropped passes? If that's the case with Ginn catching balls from Brees then we're screwed.....

Cooks was limited in his repertoire and Payton had bigger visions for him in the game plan when we traded up in the first round to get him. He was not a good return man and wasn't very elusive. But he was fast and when Drew dropped the ball in for Cooks at full speed it was a thing of beauty. Devery Henderson and Robert Meachem were fast too.....Drew made them look good. So did Curtis Johnson the receivers coach. Who incidentally is back coaching our receivers both young and old with his impressive coaching techniques and style.

My point is Drew made those fast receivers look good not the other way around. He does it consistently and elevates the team around him in almost every game he's played as a Saint.

He's human and makes mistakes. Everyone does. Even I do. So do you. You just have to learn from your mistakes and he's a student of the game. He is one of the best prepared men in the game and keeps himself in peak physical condition to perform at his maximum every game.

I don't understand how you evaluate this team. It's obvious that you love them but get a big screen color TV so you can see what's going on.

WillSaints81 · 07-09-2017, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Seriously? It's on Drew Brees because Cooks dropped passes? If that's the case with Ginn catching balls from Brees then we're screwed.....

Cooks was limited in his repertoire and Payton had bigger visions for him in the game plan when we traded up in the first round to get him. He was not a good return man and wasn't very elusive. But he was fast and when Drew dropped the ball in for Cooks at full speed it was a thing of beauty. Devery Henderson and Robert Meachem were fast too.....Drew made them look good. So did Curtis Johnson the receivers coach. Who incidentally is back coaching our receivers both young and old with his impressive coaching techniques and style.

My point is Drew made those fast receivers look good not the other way around. He does it consistently and elevates the team around him in almost every game he's played as a Saint.

He's human and makes mistakes. Everyone does. Even I do. So do you. You just have to learn from your mistakes and he's a student of the game. He is one of the best prepared men in the game and keeps himself in peak physical condition to perform at his maximum every game.

I don't understand how you evaluate this team. It's obvious that you love them but get a big screen color TV so you can see what's going on.

Timing. It was off. Yeah those receivers were great because of Drew but Drew cannot make a skillset happen for a receiver that does not have it. Again, if you think Ted Ginn Jr explodes for 180 yards and two TDs under the same circumstances, I don't know what to tell you.

You are reaffirming that Brees was trying to throw the ball to Cooks after his meltdown and again, as I said, the final decision is doing what helps you win. Therefore, if ignoring a wide open Thomas all game is doing what helps one win(and Fleener got a good bit of targets in this game as well). However, that's not why. When the pocket collapses there is a lack of rhythym. When Brees is forced to throw because his running game is taken away he's less accurate. Whether Cooks dropped the passes or not, it was a tough matchup and lions players admitted to spoofing Cooks. The running game was off, Fleener continuing his schtick, and Thomas not fast enough(as it's not his strength) for Brees to notice downfield. This was the kind of game that was evident why Kamara was drafted. That was one weakness of the lions defense being a pass catching back. Also TE, and well.......

Utah_Saint · 07-09-2017, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

... and Thomas not fast enough(as it's not his strength) for Brees to notice downfield.

PFF: Michael Thomas is NFL's best deep threat - Cover32

Just a friendly tip, there are dozens of sites online that you could check before you post.

AsylumGuido · 07-09-2017, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

PFF: Michael Thomas is NFL's best deep threat - Cover32

Just a friendly tip, there are dozens of sites online that you could check before you post.

Will(Insert Team Name Here)81 and facts have always appeared to be mutually exclusive.

WillSaints81 · 07-10-2017, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

PFF: Michael Thomas is NFL's best deep threat - Cover32

Just a friendly tip, there are dozens of sites online that you could check before you post.

No, I knew what I was talking about. Thomas is not a Z, he is a X. he cannot run downfield 40+ yards in two secs like the way Cooks, and now Ginn, can. In fact I have not seen Thomas make those kinds of catches unless it was against SF and LA. I am also taking hail marys here not run after catch which is what Thomas does. Deep threat is someone who can catch a long pass, not someone who can catch and keep going. Thomas wasn't the one hauling in 98 and 80 yard TDs last year.

Still blaming Cooks for a game that the offense has had a history of losing and struggling against that particular defense is nothing but an excuse to hate someone IMO.

AsylumGuido · 07-10-2017, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

No, I knew what I was talking about. Thomas is not a Z, he is a X. he cannot run downfield 40+ yards in two secs like the way Cooks, and now Ginn, can. In fact I have not seen Thomas make those kinds of catches unless it was against SF and LA. I am also taking hail marys here not run after catch which is what Thomas does. Deep threat is someone who can catch a long pass, not someone who can catch and keep going. Thomas wasn't the one hauling in 98 and 80 yard TDs last year.

Still blaming Cooks for a game that the offense has had a history of losing and struggling against that particular defense is nothing but an excuse to hate someone IMO.

Check the actual stats, dude. Their YAC and YPC were very close. You try as hard as you can to try to act like you know what you are talking about. Adopt a new team. I have heard the Raiders are up and coming! Get you an early seat on that bandwagon. But a warning. They also have fans that know what they are talking about.

Utah_Saint · 07-10-2017, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

No, I knew what I was talking about. Thomas is not a Z, he is a X. he cannot run downfield 40+ yards in two secs like the way Cooks, and now Ginn, can. In fact I have not seen Thomas make those kinds of catches unless it was against SF and LA. I am also taking hail marys here not run after catch which is what Thomas does. Deep threat is someone who can catch a long pass, not someone who can catch and keep going. Thomas wasn't the one hauling in 98 and 80 yard TDs last year.

Still blaming Cooks for a game that the offense has had a history of losing and struggling against that particular defense is nothing but an excuse to hate someone IMO.

Maybe you should contact PFF and let them know they are wrong about Thomas. Somehow, they got the impression that he's a pretty good deep threat.

https://pff.desk.com/customer/portal/emails/new

Edit: Please keep us informed on how that works out for ya.

07-09-2017, 01:04 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Drew Brees calls Brandin Cooks trade “one of those unfortunate things” Originally Posted by WillSaints81 In the lions game, Cooks issues were more on Brees because the running game suffered. The lions also had a pass rusher named Ezekiel Ansah. This has been Brees' biggest weakness. He can pick apart a secondary but he cannot beat elite pass rushers on teams that stop the run. Seriously? It's on Drew Brees because Cooks dropped passes? If that's the case with Ginn catching balls from Brees then we're screwed..... Cooks was limited in his repertoire and Payton had bigger visions for him in the game plan when we traded up in the first round to get him. He was not a good return man and wasn't very elusive. But he was fast and when Drew dropped the ball in for Cooks at full speed it was a thing of beauty. Devery Henderson and Robert Meachem were fast too.....Drew made them look good. So did Curtis Johnson the receivers coach. Who incidentally is back coaching our receivers both young and old with his impressive coaching techniques and style. My point is Drew made those fast receivers look good not the other way around. He does it consistently and elevates the team around him in almost every game he's played as a Saint. He's human and makes mistakes. Everyone does. Even I do. So do you. You just have to learn from your mistakes and he's a student of the game. He is one of the best prepared men in the game and keeps himself in peak physical condition to perform at his maximum every game. I don't understand how you evaluate this team. It's obvious that you love them but get a big screen color TV so you can see what's going on. RaginCajun83 likes this.
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07-09-2017, 04:22 PM	#2
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Drew Brees calls Brandin Cooks trade “one of those unfortunate things” Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Seriously? It's on Drew Brees because Cooks dropped passes? If that's the case with Ginn catching balls from Brees then we're screwed..... Cooks was limited in his repertoire and Payton had bigger visions for him in the game plan when we traded up in the first round to get him. He was not a good return man and wasn't very elusive. But he was fast and when Drew dropped the ball in for Cooks at full speed it was a thing of beauty. Devery Henderson and Robert Meachem were fast too.....Drew made them look good. So did Curtis Johnson the receivers coach. Who incidentally is back coaching our receivers both young and old with his impressive coaching techniques and style. My point is Drew made those fast receivers look good not the other way around. He does it consistently and elevates the team around him in almost every game he's played as a Saint. He's human and makes mistakes. Everyone does. Even I do. So do you. You just have to learn from your mistakes and he's a student of the game. He is one of the best prepared men in the game and keeps himself in peak physical condition to perform at his maximum every game. I don't understand how you evaluate this team. It's obvious that you love them but get a big screen color TV so you can see what's going on. Timing. It was off. Yeah those receivers were great because of Drew but Drew cannot make a skillset happen for a receiver that does not have it. Again, if you think Ted Ginn Jr explodes for 180 yards and two TDs under the same circumstances, I don't know what to tell you. You are reaffirming that Brees was trying to throw the ball to Cooks after his meltdown and again, as I said, the final decision is doing what helps you win. Therefore, if ignoring a wide open Thomas all game is doing what helps one win(and Fleener got a good bit of targets in this game as well). However, that's not why. When the pocket collapses there is a lack of rhythym. When Brees is forced to throw because his running game is taken away he's less accurate. Whether Cooks dropped the passes or not, it was a tough matchup and lions players admitted to spoofing Cooks. The running game was off, Fleener continuing his schtick, and Thomas not fast enough(as it's not his strength) for Brees to notice downfield. This was the kind of game that was evident why Kamara was drafted. That was one weakness of the lions defense being a pass catching back. Also TE, and well.......

07-09-2017, 10:31 PM	#3
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Drew Brees calls Brandin Cooks trade “one of those unfortunate things” Originally Posted by WillSaints81 ... and Thomas not fast enough(as it's not his strength) for Brees to notice downfield. PFF: Michael Thomas is NFL's best deep threat - Cover32 Just a friendly tip, there are dozens of sites online that you could check before you post.

07-09-2017, 10:52 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Drew Brees calls Brandin Cooks trade “one of those unfortunate things” Originally Posted by Utah_Saint PFF: Michael Thomas is NFL's best deep threat - Cover32 Just a friendly tip, there are dozens of sites online that you could check before you post. Will(Insert Team Name Here)81 and facts have always appeared to be mutually exclusive.

07-10-2017, 05:11 PM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Drew Brees calls Brandin Cooks trade “one of those unfortunate things” Originally Posted by Utah_Saint PFF: Michael Thomas is NFL's best deep threat - Cover32 Just a friendly tip, there are dozens of sites online that you could check before you post. No, I knew what I was talking about. Thomas is not a Z, he is a X. he cannot run downfield 40+ yards in two secs like the way Cooks, and now Ginn, can. In fact I have not seen Thomas make those kinds of catches unless it was against SF and LA. I am also taking hail marys here not run after catch which is what Thomas does. Deep threat is someone who can catch a long pass, not someone who can catch and keep going. Thomas wasn't the one hauling in 98 and 80 yard TDs last year. Still blaming Cooks for a game that the offense has had a history of losing and struggling against that particular defense is nothing but an excuse to hate someone IMO.

07-10-2017, 05:43 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Drew Brees calls Brandin Cooks trade “one of those unfortunate things” Originally Posted by WillSaints81 No, I knew what I was talking about. Thomas is not a Z, he is a X. he cannot run downfield 40+ yards in two secs like the way Cooks, and now Ginn, can. In fact I have not seen Thomas make those kinds of catches unless it was against SF and LA. I am also taking hail marys here not run after catch which is what Thomas does. Deep threat is someone who can catch a long pass, not someone who can catch and keep going. Thomas wasn't the one hauling in 98 and 80 yard TDs last year. Still blaming Cooks for a game that the offense has had a history of losing and struggling against that particular defense is nothing but an excuse to hate someone IMO. Check the actual stats, dude. Their YAC and YPC were very close. You try as hard as you can to try to act like you know what you are talking about. Adopt a new team. I have heard the Raiders are up and coming! Get you an early seat on that bandwagon. But a warning. They also have fans that know what they are talking about.

07-10-2017, 07:46 PM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Drew Brees calls Brandin Cooks trade “one of those unfortunate things” Originally Posted by WillSaints81 No, I knew what I was talking about. Thomas is not a Z, he is a X. he cannot run downfield 40+ yards in two secs like the way Cooks, and now Ginn, can. In fact I have not seen Thomas make those kinds of catches unless it was against SF and LA. I am also taking hail marys here not run after catch which is what Thomas does. Deep threat is someone who can catch a long pass, not someone who can catch and keep going. Thomas wasn't the one hauling in 98 and 80 yard TDs last year. Still blaming Cooks for a game that the offense has had a history of losing and struggling against that particular defense is nothing but an excuse to hate someone IMO. Maybe you should contact PFF and let them know they are wrong about Thomas. Somehow, they got the impression that he's a pretty good deep threat. https://pff.desk.com/customer/portal/emails/new Edit: Please keep us informed on how that works out for ya.

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