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Very interesting stat IMO.

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Tyrod is a decent QB IMO, a real game manager. He makes up for some of his flaws with running though. Without that he would be fairly awful. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes from what i have seen and he can chunk it deep when he has to do it but there is a limit.

Watson being below Tyrod in this area, yeah that is a major concern. Granted, most balls are not deep but when you need it he won't be able to do it. I would like to know what Brees is putting up because he sure does float a lot of passes. They seem to get there when the receiver slows down some for sure.

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My teddy bear throws That fast

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With arm strength that weak, no way is he gonna be able to tackle well.

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Brady Quinn
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Tim Tebow
J Russell
Christian Ponder
Blain Gabbert
Johnny Manziel

The odds are stacked against Watson.

Many have tried, only a handful have succeeded at this level. The NFL is hard ...especially at the QB position.

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This really is an interesting stat. It's enough cause to raise some red flags.

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Wait....You have a teddy bear?

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I really don't like this year's QB class. I might take a flyer on Mahomes but there's no way I'd draft any of these guys in the first few rounds. Mahomes' stock is going up now anyway. He probably won't be there in the later rounds.

Not a good year for QBs. Stick with the defense.

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I remember this was a big hit on Danny Wuerfail. Teams would cheat so bad on him. Really no ability to throw deep.

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I could somehow see Mahomes land in Houston. Great defensive team but running on 3 cylinders offensively. I'm not sure how much trust they have in Tom Savage and ole man Brandon Weeden.

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Mike Vick's must have been near or above 60. Very fast throwing motion and a ton of velocity.

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I'd bet on it being higher than that. Michael Vick, Brett Favre, JaMarcus Russell, and Jay Cutler all have cannons.

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Not only was Vick fast, but he had a cannon of an arm. See link below.

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I wanted Vick to be a Saint so bad growing up. :(

While we're on the topic of Quarterbacks, I was on the record as saying I didn't want anything to do with Chad Kelly. His draft stock has fallen so far at this point that now I'd be willing to take the risk. He's going to throw you into some games and he's going to throw you out of some. He reminds me of Brett Favre. He's an anticipatory passer and a gun slinger. He doesn't wait for you to get open. He throws you open or where you're supposed to be. Maybe Brees and Payton can mentor him and cut down on those interceptions. That's been my only pet peeve with him is picks. Also, he's mobile and has good size at 6'2" 225 lbs.

I'm keeping an eye on Josh Dobbs as well. He never impressed me at Tennessee, and I don't expect much out of him, but I don't know how much he had to work with offensively. Another mobile kid. EXTREMELY intelligent. Sub-par accuracy. He'd be a project, but he's also a late round pick anyway. He might be more of a Kaepernick style player, but I think he has more touch on the ball.

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Chad Kelly reminds me of Derek Carr. In a good way.

I still think Trubisky is the one to take the risk on. Especially if he's sitting for 2-3 years.

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He's likely a 1st rounder, and I wouldn't want to use 11 or 32 on him. If he falls to the 2nd though...you have to take him.

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Yes. His name is Teddy🐻

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Jim Kelly ... Great player and upstanding guy but his nephew Chad Kelly? Pass. He will fold on you like a lawn chair.

He has had multiple arrests for a variety of misdemeanors. He ran out on the field to jump into a fight at a high school football game during his bye week. The 22 year old College senior had to be restrained from hitting 16 and 17 year old high school kids. He also walked out on his teammates last year and left the stadium whining like a baby when they were losing. He didn't even stick around to shake hands with the winners. Wasn't he kicked out of Clemson due to character issues ??

How would that translate to the NFL where you have to be a leader of grown MEN inside a huddle and locker room?

As for his play on the field, he is a pick 6 waiting to happen & possibly game changing INT in 4th quarter of a game.

I don't think Chad is on Sean Payton's radar.

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The timing on out and curl routes is critical for our offense...

If he gets healthy, I'd be interesting in Chad Kelly's velocity...

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I remember hearing WR's that played with Elway use to leave games/pratice with bruises all over their body. The passes would break through their hands.

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Yeah Kelly has some issues. That guy has pissed away his professional career before it even started. Character issues is putting it nicely​.

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There's just no QB worth wasting an upper round pick on this year.

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Balls that are thrown too hard usually have too much spin on the throw...
This results in more dropped passes, over thrown passes and a general lack of thinking by the QB.

In other words... your QB still sucks. 60% of passes require the correct touch.

It's kind of like a FG from the 10 yard line being kicked as hard as from the 50.
You kick it as hard as you need to best get it over the goal post.

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Yeah I doubt Drew has a whole lot of velocity. But he can thread the needle and he has perfect touch.

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Why are we even caring about someone who has no chance to be drafted by the saints?

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Everyone is bored. I'm so bored I'm about to talk about my wife's cat having kittens.

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I will be absolutly amazed if a QB goes in the top ten. But they have amazed me before.

I pray they are all on the board at 11. The phone will be ringing and the Browns might just be willing to hugely overpay to get the #1 QB board with a swap from 12 to 11 to keep others away. Cle vs Ari vs Hou.

swap 11 for 12
swap 42 for 33
pick 108

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More like 6 or 7 years. Brees repeated on NFL Radio a couple of days ago that he expects to be able to continue playing until the age of 45. Brady has said the same. I believe both of them. Any QB we pick up anytime soon will be a backup only. At least for the Saints.

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He also re-injured his wrist just 15 throws into his pro day.

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We should give Brees another $120 million contract. :bng:

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If his arm sucks... don't draft him. End of conversation.

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Your wife had kittens... you Tiger.... Congratulation. :angel:

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I don't see that happening.

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Many don't, but they are basing the longevity on an outdated norm. Brees and Brady are clearly outliers in a time that all QB's are projected as playing longer.

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If you are 45+ years, you're laughing at comments Brees & Brady make regarding playing till they're 45yo...

I'll say this, I'm surprised and admit I'm wrong in that I thought Brees would have seriously degraded by now - they're both a Testament to Modern Kinesiology...

(Though I still think that two week/six interceptions spell was the beginning of dead arm and the subsequent up-tick in rushing plays the following weeks took the load off)...

And some friendly advice to you younger "invincible" cats, when it starts to go, it's not a slow taper, it's a cliff...

But I'm elated that Brees is still playing at an All-Pro level even if he's cursed by playing for a small, disrespected market and doesn't get the national recognition...

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Yep,you dont go downhill curve when you are done
You just fall quickly and painfully. A mans body drops off quickly as testosterone levels fall from the late 30s into your 40s. That is why those that perform late are so highly regarded. You dont get many Bernard Hopkins, Randy Coutores and Dan Hendersons in sports

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I know this is calling someone a winner or gamer is normally a dumb phrase but I feel like it actually applies to Watson. Arm strength or not, this guy is plain and simple, a winner.

I wouldn't want the saints to draft him, just because I feel like we should address other concerns, but still... the dude wins..

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His team wins.

Danny Weurfell is a great example of not putting a college team's record into the equation.

Winning in College does not equate to winning in the NFL.

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Troy Smith

Others?

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... and usually highly juiced .