Skill Vs Stats, Choose A Side

Tobias-Reiper · 03-23-2005, 11:42 PM

..too bad that yet another thread with possibilities turned into yet another pissing contest...

..guess I\'ll delete my original post...

JKool · 03-24-2005, 02:17 AM

I agree with T-R. Why did I read this?

Both of you knock it off, or I\'ll knock it off for you. This is going south fast. If you have some ideas you\'d like to consider, be my guest; if you\'re just interested in some personal bashing, that is not ok.

JKool · 03-24-2005, 02:21 AM

For the record, since I was interested when I started reading the thread, there is a thing called a false dichotomy - it goes like this:

1. x or y.
2. not x.
Therefore,
3. y.

This only works when there are only two positions, x or y. In this case there are OBVIOUSLY other positions, like x and y, for instance. Thus, the idea that it is either stats or something else is just misguided. Stats are informative, but so is anecdotal evidence, game-tape, scouting reports, and so on. You get the idea.

4saintspirit · 03-24-2005, 07:09 AM

In an attempt to actually add a real post to this thred -- I think that people are missing the big picture here. Good Stats do prove who is productive -- does demonstrate a certain skill level -- but average stats do not necessarily measure the skill level of a player. A player with better stats may not be the higher skilled player -- For example -- lets take a defensive end who is so skilled and feared that he is always double teamed. Naturally his sack and tackle production goes down and maybe the other starting defensive end gets better stats because of being single teamed. Okay now what do the the stats in that particular instance say --who would you say is better - which player is more skilled? Now recievers are a different lot - stats may be measured by how good the QB is, how much of a run oriented team, the offense play calling etc. Based on that here is my humble opinion -- Joe\' stats do prove he is a very productive and highly skilled player. That said if I got the choice to pick any receiver right now to start for the Saints is Joe in the top 3 -- no-- is Joe in the top 5 no -- is he in the top 10 -- definitely

03-23-2005, 11:42 PM	#11
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Skill Vs Stats, Choose A Side ..too bad that yet another thread with possibilities turned into yet another pissing contest... ..guess I\'ll delete my original post...

03-24-2005, 02:17 AM	#12
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Skill Vs Stats, Choose A Side I agree with T-R. Why did I read this? Both of you knock it off, or I\'ll knock it off for you. This is going south fast. If you have some ideas you\'d like to consider, be my guest; if you\'re just interested in some personal bashing, that is not ok.

03-24-2005, 02:21 AM	#13
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Skill Vs Stats, Choose A Side For the record, since I was interested when I started reading the thread, there is a thing called a false dichotomy - it goes like this: 1. x or y. 2. not x. Therefore, 3. y. This only works when there are only two positions, x or y. In this case there are OBVIOUSLY other positions, like x and y, for instance. Thus, the idea that it is either stats or something else is just misguided. Stats are informative, but so is anecdotal evidence, game-tape, scouting reports, and so on. You get the idea.

03-24-2005, 07:09 AM	#14
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Skill Vs Stats, Choose A Side In an attempt to actually add a real post to this thred -- I think that people are missing the big picture here. Good Stats do prove who is productive -- does demonstrate a certain skill level -- but average stats do not necessarily measure the skill level of a player. A player with better stats may not be the higher skilled player -- For example -- lets take a defensive end who is so skilled and feared that he is always double teamed. Naturally his sack and tackle production goes down and maybe the other starting defensive end gets better stats because of being single teamed. Okay now what do the the stats in that particular instance say --who would you say is better - which player is more skilled? Now recievers are a different lot - stats may be measured by how good the QB is, how much of a run oriented team, the offense play calling etc. Based on that here is my humble opinion -- Joe\' stats do prove he is a very productive and highly skilled player. That said if I got the choice to pick any receiver right now to start for the Saints is Joe in the top 3 -- no-- is Joe in the top 5 no -- is he in the top 10 -- definitely
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	\"I have a photographic memory -- I just don\'t have any film.\"

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