Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA!

GumboBC · 03-24-2005, 06:00 PM

Where exactly did anyone see that Sullivan has all this potential and all this talent? Cause Haslett and the front office say so? He was the 5th or 6th best rated DT in his draft. That\'s usually a second rounder or late first. Where does anyone get the impression he is so talented, cause we chose him high?

I keep hearing you say that Sullivan was the 5th or 6th rated DL in the draft. But, I read just the opposite right before he was drafted.

Got some links to that ?

Danno · 03-24-2005, 06:02 PM

Where exactly did anyone see that Sullivan has all this potential and all this talent? Cause Haslett and the front office say so? He was the 5th or 6th best rated DT in his draft. That\'s usually a second rounder or late first. Where does anyone get the impression he is so talented, cause we chose him high?

I thought he was about 3rd or 4th on most boards.
Even so, a late 1st or 2nd rounder typically is a player that has talent and potential.
Also, many others have stated he has talent, not just Haz. In fact, I don\'t even remember Haz saying it.

saintswhodi · 03-24-2005, 06:05 PM

Yeah, I got as many linsk as you Gumbo. I could point you to the stats again like earlier.

Okay Danno, i\'ll bite. Who are these many others? If the head coach didn\'t say he has talent, then that\'s enough for me. Although I do beleive I have heard Haz said that he thinks Sully is talented. I just want to know where people are drawing this Sully has talent from. If you read an article or something, I wanna read it. Just tell me who is sayign it.

GumboBC · 03-24-2005, 06:06 PM

Most of the info I read is that Sullian was about the 3rd best DT in the draft. And part of the reason was because he was coming out early.

Regardless, Sullivan was rated pretty high on most boards. I don\'t remember ESPN blasting the Saints for picking him in the first round. Or anyone here either.

GumboBC · 03-24-2005, 06:11 PM

From Jets Insider:
The two best players at that position (Jimmy Kennedy from Penn State and DeWayne Robertson from Kentucky) will be top ten picks. Unless the Jets are willing to trade up they must then set their sights on either William Joseph out of Miami or Jonathan Sullivan from Georgia arguably the third and fourth best middle lineman in the draft. It is doubtful that both of these players will be available when the 13th pick is made and it is even possible that neither player is left.
http://www.jetsinsider.com/features/....asp?storyid=6

From Scout.com - Sullivan projected as the 14th pick.
14.NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS- Jonathan Sullivan Defensive Tackle Georgia

- The Patriots defense last season was not the same that won the Super Bowl. By adding Sullivan the Patriots are getting someone to complement Seymour, and to add some bulk to that line and take some pressure off their linebackers.
http://colts.scout.com/2/107007.html

saintswhodi · 03-24-2005, 06:11 PM

No I don\'t recall ESPN blasting them, I recall Kiper looking shocked as possible he went that early. Look at this. From ESPN before the draft, Sullivan at 32.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/s/pfw/2003mockdraft.html

SO we both have links. Great. Still doesn\'t make him talented.

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

Danno · 03-24-2005, 06:13 PM

Yeah, I got as many linsk as you Gumbo. I could point you to the stats again like earlier.

Okay Danno, i\'ll bite. Who are these many others? If the head coach didn\'t say he has talent, then that\'s enough for me. Although I do beleive I have heard Haz said that he thinks Sully is talented. I just want to know where people are drawing this Sully has talent from. If you read an article or something, I wanna read it. Just tell me who is sayign it.

So, Out of all the thousands of articles I\'ve read over the last 3 years, I don\'t remeber A SINGLE comment about him NOT having talent. here are some of the many I read and listen too...
ESPN
CBS
FOX
USA
TSN
PFW
Mel Kiper
Kenny W
Hoakie G
Mike D
Gerry V
NFL.com
and many many more.
Need more?
How about some saying he doesn\'t have talent?

saintswhodi · 03-24-2005, 06:16 PM

So Danno what you are telling me is, you just list a bunch of sights that we all read regularly, and that\'s your proof. Seen and links that call him a bust? I have. DO busts generally have talent?

GumboBC · 03-24-2005, 06:20 PM

You trip me out, saintwhodi .. :P

According to you:

1. Our offensive line gave our QB enough time.
2. The offense was responsible for our defense.
3. Sullivan was rated as a no talent bum coming out of college.
4. AB locks on to Joe Horn more than other QBs do their #1 receivers.

All false statements.

saintswhodi · 03-24-2005, 06:27 PM

I guess you can say I said those things, but then I think most would consider the source, and believe there is WAY more to any of those statements than that. Funny thing is, I wasn\'t the only one who said them. As a matter of fact, I am beginnign to doubt if you have EVER made a TRUE statement on this board. You seem real good at embellishing and insinuating what articles and sources, and even other posters mean when they say something. Hey, there\'s gotta be one right?

So since I ask where exactly does it say Sully is talented, that means I said he was a no talent bum. Little assignment, find me those exact words in this thread coming from me. Please.

Oh, here\'s a little something on out talented DT:

Problem is, the Saints have bogged themselves down with heavy contracts for unproductive players. Former first-rounder Jonathan Sullivan has yet to pan out into much more than a buffet-line bandit.

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunhera...f/11036586.htm

Good enough for Gumbo right? Oh so you don\'t forget, find where I said Sullivan was a no talnet bum out of Georgia. Shouldn;t be too hard since you put it right there in print. We will use that statement as a measure for every statement you make, to see if I truly said it, or as normal you embellish and have no idea what you are talking about.

03-24-2005, 06:00 PM	#31
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! Where exactly did anyone see that Sullivan has all this potential and all this talent? Cause Haslett and the front office say so? He was the 5th or 6th best rated DT in his draft. That\'s usually a second rounder or late first. Where does anyone get the impression he is so talented, cause we chose him high? I keep hearing you say that Sullivan was the 5th or 6th rated DL in the draft. But, I read just the opposite right before he was drafted. Got some links to that ?
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03-24-2005, 06:02 PM	#32
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! Where exactly did anyone see that Sullivan has all this potential and all this talent? Cause Haslett and the front office say so? He was the 5th or 6th best rated DT in his draft. That\'s usually a second rounder or late first. Where does anyone get the impression he is so talented, cause we chose him high? I thought he was about 3rd or 4th on most boards. Even so, a late 1st or 2nd rounder typically is a player that has talent and potential. Also, many others have stated he has talent, not just Haz. In fact, I don\'t even remember Haz saying it.

03-24-2005, 06:05 PM	#33
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! Yeah, I got as many linsk as you Gumbo. I could point you to the stats again like earlier. Okay Danno, i\'ll bite. Who are these many others? If the head coach didn\'t say he has talent, then that\'s enough for me. Although I do beleive I have heard Haz said that he thinks Sully is talented. I just want to know where people are drawing this Sully has talent from. If you read an article or something, I wanna read it. Just tell me who is sayign it.

03-24-2005, 06:06 PM	#34
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! Most of the info I read is that Sullian was about the 3rd best DT in the draft. And part of the reason was because he was coming out early. Regardless, Sullivan was rated pretty high on most boards. I don\'t remember ESPN blasting the Saints for picking him in the first round. Or anyone here either.
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03-24-2005, 06:11 PM	#35
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! From Jets Insider: The two best players at that position (Jimmy Kennedy from Penn State and DeWayne Robertson from Kentucky) will be top ten picks. Unless the Jets are willing to trade up they must then set their sights on either William Joseph out of Miami or Jonathan Sullivan from Georgia arguably the third and fourth best middle lineman in the draft. It is doubtful that both of these players will be available when the 13th pick is made and it is even possible that neither player is left. http://www.jetsinsider.com/features/....asp?storyid=6 From Scout.com - Sullivan projected as the 14th pick. 14.NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS- Jonathan Sullivan Defensive Tackle Georgia - The Patriots defense last season was not the same that won the Super Bowl. By adding Sullivan the Patriots are getting someone to complement Seymour, and to add some bulk to that line and take some pressure off their linebackers. http://colts.scout.com/2/107007.html
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03-24-2005, 06:13 PM	#37
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! Yeah, I got as many linsk as you Gumbo. I could point you to the stats again like earlier. Okay Danno, i\'ll bite. Who are these many others? If the head coach didn\'t say he has talent, then that\'s enough for me. Although I do beleive I have heard Haz said that he thinks Sully is talented. I just want to know where people are drawing this Sully has talent from. If you read an article or something, I wanna read it. Just tell me who is sayign it. So, Out of all the thousands of articles I\'ve read over the last 3 years, I don\'t remeber A SINGLE comment about him NOT having talent. here are some of the many I read and listen too... ESPN CBS FOX USA TSN PFW Mel Kiper Kenny W Hoakie G Mike D Gerry V NFL.com and many many more. Need more? How about some saying he doesn\'t have talent?

03-24-2005, 06:16 PM	#38
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! So Danno what you are telling me is, you just list a bunch of sights that we all read regularly, and that\'s your proof. Seen and links that call him a bust? I have. DO busts generally have talent?

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GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! You trip me out, saintwhodi .. :P According to you: 1. Our offensive line gave our QB enough time. 2. The offense was responsible for our defense. 3. Sullivan was rated as a no talent bum coming out of college. 4. AB locks on to Joe Horn more than other QBs do their #1 receivers. All false statements.
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03-24-2005, 06:27 PM	#40
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! I guess you can say I said those things, but then I think most would consider the source, and believe there is WAY more to any of those statements than that. Funny thing is, I wasn\'t the only one who said them. As a matter of fact, I am beginnign to doubt if you have EVER made a TRUE statement on this board. You seem real good at embellishing and insinuating what articles and sources, and even other posters mean when they say something. Hey, there\'s gotta be one right? So since I ask where exactly does it say Sully is talented, that means I said he was a no talent bum. Little assignment, find me those exact words in this thread coming from me. Please. Oh, here\'s a little something on out talented DT: Problem is, the Saints have bogged themselves down with heavy contracts for unproductive players. Former first-rounder Jonathan Sullivan has yet to pan out into much more than a buffet-line bandit. http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunhera...f/11036586.htm Good enough for Gumbo right? Oh so you don\'t forget, find where I said Sullivan was a no talnet bum out of Georgia. Shouldn;t be too hard since you put it right there in print. We will use that statement as a measure for every statement you make, to see if I truly said it, or as normal you embellish and have no idea what you are talking about.