Proof that Brooks didn't inflate Horn's stats

GumboBC · 03-24-2005, 01:38 PM

Cool and the gang.

But you still seem to be missing the point, so I will still just back out of this disagreement. I don\'t know how many other ways it can be explained, and there is no longer any point in arguing about it. So until the next disagreement, have a good one. :salute:

The orginal reason I started this thread is because you said Brooks has tunnel vision for Horn.

But, I proved that Brooks only threw to Horn 28.2% of the time.

Now, if you want to go to 2nd and 3rd receivers and compare Brooks to Peyton Manning all time great NFL season. Then that\'s not a fair comparison, IMHO.

If you would have done it for 4 or 5 other QBs then I would have no choice but to agree with you. But, Peyton Mannings record setting season is what you want to compare Brooks to? Come on man?

Also, Brooks threw the ball to someone other than Horn 78.2% of the time. Obviously, Brooks isn\'t locking on to Horn anymore than Petyon is Marvin Harrison(20.0%)

Did Brooks throw to his number 2 and 3 receivers as much as Manning did? NO!

But, I still say comparing Brooks\' ball distribution to ONLY Manning is a very skewed comparison. Surly you can see that.

I think I\'ll do a better comparison so we can get a better idea than Peyton Mannings ALL TIME record season.

saintswhodi · 03-24-2005, 01:49 PM

So let\'s use Bulger. Not a rookie, no rookie wr, no injuries or suspensions to receivers. And even though the Rams don\'t have a clear cut number 3 receiver, I will use McDonald cause I remember him playing the most.

Bulger passes to:

Bruce 30.5% of the time
Holt 28% of the time
Mcdonald 14% of the time

One and two are MUCH closer than with AB, and even their 3rd, which is by committee, has a higher number than Pathon.

saintswhodi · 03-24-2005, 01:54 PM

I was gonna use Denver but their 3rd wide receiver Watts is a rookie. But let\'s look at it anyway without him.

Plummer passes to:

Lelie 19.9% of the time
Smith 26.1% of the time

Smith and Lelie are closer together than horn and Stallworth.

GumboBC · 03-24-2005, 01:57 PM

saintwhodi --

If only 28.2% of Brooks\' passes are thrown to Joe Horn ... Where are the rest of the passes going if not to the number 2 and 3 receiver?

It seems to me that Brooks is \"spreading\" the ball around to more players on the offense than Peyton Manning or Mark Bulger.

Also, let\'s not forget that Brooks didn\'t have a lot of time to pass the ball behind our offensive line.

How \'bout some \"fairness\'\" in this debate? That\'s what gets me about the anti-Brooks guys.

saintswhodi · 03-24-2005, 01:58 PM

Let\'s look at Tennessee. Their third wideout Calico was hur tin the pre-season so I will take their one and two, Mason and Bennett.

McNair and Volek threw to:

Bennett 25.2 % of the time
Mason 27.6% of the time

Much MUCH closer than AB\'s one and two receivers. I hope this is enough outside of Peyton and his record season.

saintswhodi · 03-24-2005, 02:01 PM

Okay, I tried. I give up. You don\'t win, but I give up. The facts are in front of you, and you wanna start talking about throws to FBs and TEs and all this other nonsense. The Rams line sucked as much as ours. Did you see Tennessee\' record? But whatever. I give up. Against my better judgment I tried to inject some more logic to assist the debate, but all you are willing to do is say \"Yes that\'s nice but AB prob throws to his Rbs, FBs and TEs more.\" :icon_bs:

saintswhodi · 03-24-2005, 02:04 PM

Aha, I see where this is going. The site doesn\'t show targets at TEs and RBs so you decided you would pull that out so it can\'t be disproven. Wow. I know cause Iw as gonna check on Dallas Clark and Kinney verses Boo and Conwell. Wow dude, when you con, you go all out. Nice try, but I am sure the facts posted will allow people to draw their own views.

GumboBC · 03-24-2005, 02:07 PM

Aha, I see where this is going. The site doesn\'t show targets at TEs and RBs so you decided you would pull that out so it can\'t be disproven. Wow. I know cause Iw as gonna check on Dallas Clark and Kinney verses Boo and Conwell. Wow dude, when you con, you go all out. Nice try, but I am sure the facts posted will allow people to draw their own views.

I think when the FACTS show Brooks only throws to Joe Horn 28.23% of the time that any moron can figure out that 71.8% of ABs passes must be going to someone other than Joe Horn. And Brooks threw the ball to Donte\' over 100-times.

If the ball isn\'t going to the 3rd receiver or whoever, it\'s gotta be going to SOMONE. Who do you suppose that is?

GoldenTomb · 03-24-2005, 02:07 PM

I think the point that is being missed is that WR are USUALLY the primary recievers for any given passing play. You(and by you I mean the average NFL team)will have plays where the RB or TE is the primary reciever, but those are few and far between, unless your team is built behind your RB(i.e. Chargers and Tomlinson) or TE(i.e. KC and Gonzalez).

Context is a mo-fo!!

shadowdrinker · 03-24-2005, 02:10 PM

Bignic..do you see now what i was trying to say..

Stats are used here for every topic pretty much...even Financial discussions like the State and the team debacle...

Or the thousand of future Brooks threads to come...packed with stats..I guarantee it

Oh..just wait till about week 3...

It gets hot real quick in here...

Oh..better yet..be here in chat during the Draft...oh man...

03-24-2005, 01:38 PM	#31
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Proof that Brooks didn't inflate Horn's stats Cool and the gang. But you still seem to be missing the point, so I will still just back out of this disagreement. I don\'t know how many other ways it can be explained, and there is no longer any point in arguing about it. So until the next disagreement, have a good one. :salute: The orginal reason I started this thread is because you said Brooks has tunnel vision for Horn. But, I proved that Brooks only threw to Horn 28.2% of the time. Now, if you want to go to 2nd and 3rd receivers and compare Brooks to Peyton Manning all time great NFL season. Then that\'s not a fair comparison, IMHO. If you would have done it for 4 or 5 other QBs then I would have no choice but to agree with you. But, Peyton Mannings record setting season is what you want to compare Brooks to? Come on man? Also, Brooks threw the ball to someone other than Horn 78.2% of the time. Obviously, Brooks isn\'t locking on to Horn anymore than Petyon is Marvin Harrison(20.0%) Did Brooks throw to his number 2 and 3 receivers as much as Manning did? NO! But, I still say comparing Brooks\' ball distribution to ONLY Manning is a very skewed comparison. Surly you can see that. I think I\'ll do a better comparison so we can get a better idea than Peyton Mannings ALL TIME record season.
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03-24-2005, 01:49 PM	#32
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Proof that Brooks didn't inflate Horn's stats So let\'s use Bulger. Not a rookie, no rookie wr, no injuries or suspensions to receivers. And even though the Rams don\'t have a clear cut number 3 receiver, I will use McDonald cause I remember him playing the most. Bulger passes to: Bruce 30.5% of the time Holt 28% of the time Mcdonald 14% of the time One and two are MUCH closer than with AB, and even their 3rd, which is by committee, has a higher number than Pathon.

03-24-2005, 01:54 PM	#33
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Proof that Brooks didn't inflate Horn's stats I was gonna use Denver but their 3rd wide receiver Watts is a rookie. But let\'s look at it anyway without him. Plummer passes to: Lelie 19.9% of the time Smith 26.1% of the time Smith and Lelie are closer together than horn and Stallworth.

03-24-2005, 01:57 PM	#34
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Proof that Brooks didn't inflate Horn's stats saintwhodi -- If only 28.2% of Brooks\' passes are thrown to Joe Horn ... Where are the rest of the passes going if not to the number 2 and 3 receiver? It seems to me that Brooks is \"spreading\" the ball around to more players on the offense than Peyton Manning or Mark Bulger. Also, let\'s not forget that Brooks didn\'t have a lot of time to pass the ball behind our offensive line. How \'bout some \"fairness\'\" in this debate? That\'s what gets me about the anti-Brooks guys.
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03-24-2005, 01:58 PM	#35
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Proof that Brooks didn't inflate Horn's stats Let\'s look at Tennessee. Their third wideout Calico was hur tin the pre-season so I will take their one and two, Mason and Bennett. McNair and Volek threw to: Bennett 25.2 % of the time Mason 27.6% of the time Much MUCH closer than AB\'s one and two receivers. I hope this is enough outside of Peyton and his record season.

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03-24-2005, 02:01 PM	#36
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Proof that Brooks didn't inflate Horn's stats Okay, I tried. I give up. You don\'t win, but I give up. The facts are in front of you, and you wanna start talking about throws to FBs and TEs and all this other nonsense. The Rams line sucked as much as ours. Did you see Tennessee\' record? But whatever. I give up. Against my better judgment I tried to inject some more logic to assist the debate, but all you are willing to do is say \"Yes that\'s nice but AB prob throws to his Rbs, FBs and TEs more.\" :icon_bs:

03-24-2005, 02:04 PM	#37
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Proof that Brooks didn't inflate Horn's stats Aha, I see where this is going. The site doesn\'t show targets at TEs and RBs so you decided you would pull that out so it can\'t be disproven. Wow. I know cause Iw as gonna check on Dallas Clark and Kinney verses Boo and Conwell. Wow dude, when you con, you go all out. Nice try, but I am sure the facts posted will allow people to draw their own views.

03-24-2005, 02:07 PM	#38
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Proof that Brooks didn't inflate Horn's stats Aha, I see where this is going. The site doesn\'t show targets at TEs and RBs so you decided you would pull that out so it can\'t be disproven. Wow. I know cause Iw as gonna check on Dallas Clark and Kinney verses Boo and Conwell. Wow dude, when you con, you go all out. Nice try, but I am sure the facts posted will allow people to draw their own views. I think when the FACTS show Brooks only throws to Joe Horn 28.23% of the time that any moron can figure out that 71.8% of ABs passes must be going to someone other than Joe Horn. And Brooks threw the ball to Donte\' over 100-times. If the ball isn\'t going to the 3rd receiver or whoever, it\'s gotta be going to SOMONE. Who do you suppose that is?
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03-24-2005, 02:07 PM	#39
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Proof that Brooks didn't inflate Horn's stats I think the point that is being missed is that WR are USUALLY the primary recievers for any given passing play. You(and by you I mean the average NFL team)will have plays where the RB or TE is the primary reciever, but those are few and far between, unless your team is built behind your RB(i.e. Chargers and Tomlinson) or TE(i.e. KC and Gonzalez). Context is a mo-fo!!
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03-24-2005, 02:10 PM	#40
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Proof that Brooks didn't inflate Horn's stats Bignic..do you see now what i was trying to say.. Stats are used here for every topic pretty much...even Financial discussions like the State and the team debacle... Or the thousand of future Brooks threads to come...packed with stats..I guarantee it Oh..just wait till about week 3... It gets hot real quick in here... Oh..better yet..be here in chat during the Draft...oh man...
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