Howard to Dallas
 

Would anyone be against the Saints trading Howard to the Cowboys and swapping 1st round picks. i.e. we receive Dallas' 11th pick and get to dump Howard's salary, Dallas gets Howard and our 16th pick.
Does this seem unreasonable to anyone? Why are we asking for another player in return when we can use the 11th pick to get D. Johnson, Shawne Merriman, Pac Man Jones, or Antrel Rolle all of who will most probably be gone if we are still picking in the 16th spot?

Howard to Dallas
 

Although it would be nice to be able to draft one of those guys you mentioned, I don\'t think that is enough in return. Giving a pro bowl DE away just to move up 5 spots doesn\'t seem like a good value.

Howard to Dallas
 

No way....It would be nice to get rid of that cap hit..but not at that price..

Howard to Dallas
 

Because Johnson will not be there at #11. Merriman would be a stretch at pick #11, I beleive he will be there at #16. Pac-Man or Antrel could be there at # 11, but then again one of them could be there at #16 as well. Trading Howard for a 2nd rounder makes more sense. If we were to use him to move up in the draft, it should be to take a player we are very high on and has no chance of making it out of the top ten. What it boils down to, Johnson will definately be gone by #11, Merriman is a huge stretch for # 11 and one of Pac-Man or Rolle will be there at #16, mark my words

Howard to Dallas
 

Isn\'t it sad how now Howard is refered to as only a cap hit...or a draft pick...

I wish we could keep him long term...and keep our other guys...

But, wish in one hand, crap in the other , and see which one fills up faster..haha

Howard to Dallas
 

I dont think Johnson will be gone by 11. Think about it. Benson, C.Williams, R. Brown, Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers all go in the top 8. That leaves 9 and 10 left to snag Johnson before the Saints could at 11. Neither Washington nor Detroit needs a linebacker as bad as they do a cornerback. Washington snags Pac Man at 9. Detroit picks up Rolle at 10. I think Johnson falls to us at 11.
Now youve got Will Smith starting at his natural spot all the time. Derrick Johnson immediately starts at LB. And now you have the cap flexibility to sign Duece, Horn, Bentley, and McKenzie long term.

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by stockman311]

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by stockman311]

Howard to Dallas
 

And with the #3 selection in the 2005 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select........

Derek Johnson, Linebacker from the University of Texas

Howard to Dallas
 

And the QB for Cleveland will be who?
Trust me Cleveland takes Rodgers or Smith. Whichever San Fran passes on.

Also I am only proposing this trade on the condition that Johnson is still on the board while Dallas is on the clock during the draft not before.

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by stockman311]

Howard to Dallas
 

I got $20 saying Johnson doesnt make it out of the top 10, care to take it Stockman311?????

Howard to Dallas
 

See my conditions to the trade above..also I don\'t bet on the draft. Too much oportunity for teams to trade up and down to fill need.

Howard to Dallas
 

Ok Ok, I gotcha Stockman. IF Dallas was on the clock with the #11 and Johnson was still there, I would want to swap picks and pick up at least a 3rd, if not their 2nd.

Dallas gets Howard and #16 pick, we get #11 (DJ) and 2nd or 3rd. That is something i could live with. Just seems like we would be giving up alot for DJ (although I kno he is worth it) We need to at least pick up another pick for it all.

Howard to Dallas
 

No way --- although it makes sense to drop the cap hit Howard is a proven commodity and has been a leader on our defense -- Only way I would agree to that is if there were a free agent linebacker who we could use the freed up money to land -- then it would be a good deal

Howard to Dallas
 

I would take D. Johnson and the ability to lock up our superstars over any linebacker Dallas has to give or for an extra late round pick.
This is about making the best out of a bad economic situation. We just cannot afford to pay top dollar to three defensive ends.
I hate to lose Howard too, but we have to lose him to make our team more competitive in all areas.

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by stockman311]

Howard to Dallas
 

Just as I am arguing DJ wont be there at # 11, here is the most recent mock for Yahoo Sports......I still dont think its so

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...l&type=fantasy

Howard to Dallas
 

I only think it\'s 50/50 he will be there. But if he is we need to make this trade.

Howard to Dallas
 

I agree, but I think that we need to be compensated for Howard as well. Just because I good LB falls further, doesnt mean we need to lose out totally when we have other options on the table as well.

Howard to Dallas
 

We are getting compensated for Howard. We would be moving into the top 12 of what most experts will tell you is a 12 deep impact player draft. After the top twelve the level of player really drops in talent level.

Howard to Dallas
 

Yea, but at the expense of an already established Impact player and a pick only 5 picks later..........

Howard to Dallas
 

moving up from 16 to 11 is a gain of 250 value points. getting their #42 outright is +480 points.

to get the deal done while dallas was on the clock would mean dallas and howard have ironclad contract terms already hammered out before the draft. that is possible but not likely in the pressure cooker of draft day. i think that is why haz said we\'ll try n get a deal done but if not done before draft day we will go with the 3 de\'s.

i also think cleveland could take dj. there qb? charlie frye or andrew walter at #34 or #67. savage did get a good game managing qb in dilfer who led his previous tem to the superbowl. their pursuit of chester taylor shows me they might be going for a quicker turnaround than some 3 year building plan too. the lowest i see dj is at titans #6 or minny #7 (tice is serious about the defense turnaround and can get a good wideout at #18).

minnesota has been mentioned as a team still in the mix for howard. #16 to #7 is +500 pts, better than dallas\' 2nd. do that move up and throw in a player, say e.j. henderson since he has been moved back on the depth chart, and it\'s a deal.

Howard to Dallas
 

Not a bad idea....5 spots means a lot

Howard to Dallas
 

We\'ve waited around so long that the Saints will be lucky to get a first round pick for next year. Dallas knows the Saints are vulnerable now. To me, that franchise tag is looking pretty stupid now. That seven million could be used to ink Deuce or Horn for many more years. If Dallas offered that though, it would be stupid for the Saints not to jump on it.

Howard to Dallas
 

As much as it makes me salivate to think of McKenzie, Buchannon, Smith, and Bellamy/Mitchell, I don\'t think that Buchannon is going to help us stop the run.

Howard to Dallas
 

Nevermind all that nonsense Kool.

Howard to Dallas
 

rumjor from another board--the only reason I post it is because it seems plausable.