Howard to Dallas

stockman311 · 03-24-2005, 03:34 PM

Would anyone be against the Saints trading Howard to the Cowboys and swapping 1st round picks. i.e. we receive Dallas' 11th pick and get to dump Howard's salary, Dallas gets Howard and our 16th pick.
Does this seem unreasonable to anyone? Why are we asking for another player in return when we can use the 11th pick to get D. Johnson, Shawne Merriman, Pac Man Jones, or Antrel Rolle all of who will most probably be gone if we are still picking in the 16th spot?

bignic26 · 03-24-2005, 03:38 PM

Although it would be nice to be able to draft one of those guys you mentioned, I don\'t think that is enough in return. Giving a pro bowl DE away just to move up 5 spots doesn\'t seem like a good value.

shadowdrinker · 03-24-2005, 03:39 PM

No way....It would be nice to get rid of that cap hit..but not at that price..

saintsfan1313 · 03-24-2005, 03:40 PM

Because Johnson will not be there at #11. Merriman would be a stretch at pick #11, I beleive he will be there at #16. Pac-Man or Antrel could be there at # 11, but then again one of them could be there at #16 as well. Trading Howard for a 2nd rounder makes more sense. If we were to use him to move up in the draft, it should be to take a player we are very high on and has no chance of making it out of the top ten. What it boils down to, Johnson will definately be gone by #11, Merriman is a huge stretch for # 11 and one of Pac-Man or Rolle will be there at #16, mark my words

shadowdrinker · 03-24-2005, 03:42 PM

Isn\'t it sad how now Howard is refered to as only a cap hit...or a draft pick...

I wish we could keep him long term...and keep our other guys...

But, wish in one hand, crap in the other , and see which one fills up faster..haha

stockman311 · 03-24-2005, 03:44 PM

I dont think Johnson will be gone by 11. Think about it. Benson, C.Williams, R. Brown, Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers all go in the top 8. That leaves 9 and 10 left to snag Johnson before the Saints could at 11. Neither Washington nor Detroit needs a linebacker as bad as they do a cornerback. Washington snags Pac Man at 9. Detroit picks up Rolle at 10. I think Johnson falls to us at 11.
Now youve got Will Smith starting at his natural spot all the time. Derrick Johnson immediately starts at LB. And now you have the cap flexibility to sign Duece, Horn, Bentley, and McKenzie long term.

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by stockman311]

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by stockman311]

saintsfan1313 · 03-24-2005, 03:47 PM

And with the #3 selection in the 2005 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select........

Derek Johnson, Linebacker from the University of Texas

stockman311 · 03-24-2005, 03:50 PM

And the QB for Cleveland will be who?
Trust me Cleveland takes Rodgers or Smith. Whichever San Fran passes on.

Also I am only proposing this trade on the condition that Johnson is still on the board while Dallas is on the clock during the draft not before.

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by stockman311]

saintsfan1313 · 03-24-2005, 03:51 PM

I got $20 saying Johnson doesnt make it out of the top 10, care to take it Stockman311?????

stockman311 · 03-24-2005, 03:54 PM

See my conditions to the trade above..also I don\'t bet on the draft. Too much oportunity for teams to trade up and down to fill need.

03-24-2005, 03:38 PM	#2
bignic26 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 122	Howard to Dallas Although it would be nice to be able to draft one of those guys you mentioned, I don\'t think that is enough in return. Giving a pro bowl DE away just to move up 5 spots doesn\'t seem like a good value.
bignic26 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 122

03-24-2005, 03:39 PM	#3
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Howard to Dallas No way....It would be nice to get rid of that cap hit..but not at that price..
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517

03-24-2005, 03:40 PM	#4
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	Howard to Dallas Because Johnson will not be there at #11. Merriman would be a stretch at pick #11, I beleive he will be there at #16. Pac-Man or Antrel could be there at # 11, but then again one of them could be there at #16 as well. Trading Howard for a 2nd rounder makes more sense. If we were to use him to move up in the draft, it should be to take a player we are very high on and has no chance of making it out of the top ten. What it boils down to, Johnson will definately be gone by #11, Merriman is a huge stretch for # 11 and one of Pac-Man or Rolle will be there at #16, mark my words
	is this all really happening????

03-24-2005, 03:42 PM	#5
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Howard to Dallas Isn\'t it sad how now Howard is refered to as only a cap hit...or a draft pick... I wish we could keep him long term...and keep our other guys... But, wish in one hand, crap in the other , and see which one fills up faster..haha
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517

03-24-2005, 03:44 PM	#6
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Howard to Dallas I dont think Johnson will be gone by 11. Think about it. Benson, C.Williams, R. Brown, Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers all go in the top 8. That leaves 9 and 10 left to snag Johnson before the Saints could at 11. Neither Washington nor Detroit needs a linebacker as bad as they do a cornerback. Washington snags Pac Man at 9. Detroit picks up Rolle at 10. I think Johnson falls to us at 11. Now youve got Will Smith starting at his natural spot all the time. Derrick Johnson immediately starts at LB. And now you have the cap flexibility to sign Duece, Horn, Bentley, and McKenzie long term. [Edited on 24/3/2005 by stockman311] [Edited on 24/3/2005 by stockman311]

03-24-2005, 03:34 PM	#1
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Howard to Dallas Would anyone be against the Saints trading Howard to the Cowboys and swapping 1st round picks. i.e. we receive Dallas' 11th pick and get to dump Howard's salary, Dallas gets Howard and our 16th pick. Does this seem unreasonable to anyone? Why are we asking for another player in return when we can use the 11th pick to get D. Johnson, Shawne Merriman, Pac Man Jones, or Antrel Rolle all of who will most probably be gone if we are still picking in the 16th spot?

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03-24-2005, 03:47 PM	#7
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	Howard to Dallas And with the #3 selection in the 2005 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select........ Derek Johnson, Linebacker from the University of Texas

03-24-2005, 03:50 PM	#8
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Howard to Dallas And the QB for Cleveland will be who? Trust me Cleveland takes Rodgers or Smith. Whichever San Fran passes on. Also I am only proposing this trade on the condition that Johnson is still on the board while Dallas is on the clock during the draft not before. [Edited on 24/3/2005 by stockman311]

03-24-2005, 03:51 PM	#9
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	Howard to Dallas I got $20 saying Johnson doesnt make it out of the top 10, care to take it Stockman311?????

03-24-2005, 03:54 PM	#10
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Howard to Dallas See my conditions to the trade above..also I don\'t bet on the draft. Too much oportunity for teams to trade up and down to fill need.