Butler and the latest

Beastmode · 04-24-2017, 02:24 PM

Get pressure and all our DB's get upgraded. I would take him but I don't think it helps that much. He's not a shutdown corner for sure.

saintsfan1976 · 04-24-2017, 02:33 PM

For those of you fine with rookie CBs because "all we need is a pass rush" can you tell us where that pass rush is coming from? I mean we didn't have much of one last year. Are we relying on a rookie draft pick for that?

ikecomp · 04-24-2017, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

For those of you fine with rookie CBs because "all we need is a pass rush" can you tell us where that pass rush is coming from? I mean we didn't have much of one last year. Are we relying on a rookie draft pick for that?

Agreed on this. A pass rush would be great but I would always prefer to have a good secondary. The patriots won a superbowl last year with a solid secondary and an inconsistent pass rush at best. Seattle is in the same boat these days. They still have a very good secondary but their d-line doesn't get pressure the way it used to.

Plus, our coaching staff hasn't really shown the ability to draft and coach up cornerbacks. So unless you're telling me we're going to draft the reincarnation of Deon Sanders or Charles Woodson (guys who can immediately come in and make plays) I would prefer to have butler.

triman · 04-24-2017, 03:15 PM

Give them 42 or nothing move on!

NonieT · 04-24-2017, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

Agreed on this. A pass rush would be great but I would always prefer to have a good secondary. The patriots won a superbowl last year with a solid secondary and an inconsistent pass rush at best. Seattle is in the same boat these days. They still have a very good secondary but their d-line doesn't get pressure the way it used to.

Plus, our coaching staff hasn't really shown the ability to draft and coach up cornerbacks. So unless you're telling me we're going to draft the reincarnation of Deon Sanders or Charles Woodson (guys who can immediately come in and make plays) I would prefer to have butler.

Butler or even "the reincarnation of Deon Sanders or Charles Woodson" wouldn't help if the Saints don't have a pass rush. They'd get burned just like the other CBs.

NonieT · 04-24-2017, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

Plus, our coaching staff hasn't really shown the ability to draft and coach up cornerbacks. So unless you're telling me we're going to draft the reincarnation of Deon Sanders or Charles Woodson (guys who can immediately come in and make plays) I would prefer to have butler.

I thought Aaron Glen did great coaching up the CBs the Saints brought in off the street last season.

ikecomp · 04-24-2017, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Butler or even "the reincarnation of Deon Sanders or Charles Woodson" wouldn't help if the Saints don't have a pass rush. They'd get burned just like the other CBs.

That's true to a certain extent but there were plenty of plays last year where a pass rush wouldn't have helped because our secondary was letting guys get wide open almost immediately off the line or couldn't competently defense a pass (The crabtree play and the victor cruz play come to mind).

Cam Jordan was top 16 in the league last year with the number of hurries he created so that's pretty decent. On the other hand I can't think of anybody in our secondary that was in the top 20 of any defensive back category last year.

ikecomp · 04-24-2017, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

I thought Aaron Glen did great coaching up the CBs the Saints brought in off the street last season.

I need you to define great. Great as in he did the best he could with what he had or great as in his coaching lead to us having a productive secondary? I can only assume you mean the former and not the latter

NonieT · 04-24-2017, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

I need you to define great. Great as in he did the best he could with what he had or great as in his coaching lead to us having a productive secondary? I can only assume you mean the former and not the latter

The former. These guys did come in off the street. He couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken feed. But at times, not all the time mind you but at times the secondary was very productive. Think how good the secondary could be with competent CB play. I think he's a great DB coach.

nola_swammi · 04-24-2017, 05:28 PM

Finally someone seen the light, Malcolm Butler worth is just as unpredictable as a high 3rd rd pick but more expensive. Malcolm don't face wr or qb like the talent in the NFC south. Sorry I doubted loomis intelligence.

I prefer the saints to get Taco or Derek & Obi with 1st rd. Cris Samuel 2nd rd. Fabian Moreau & Sidney Jones 3rd rd

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Butler and the latest Get pressure and all our DB's get upgraded. I would take him but I don't think it helps that much. He's not a shutdown corner for sure.
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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,536 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Butler and the latest For those of you fine with rookie CBs because "all we need is a pass rush" can you tell us where that pass rush is coming from? I mean we didn't have much of one last year. Are we relying on a rookie draft pick for that?

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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Butler and the latest Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 For those of you fine with rookie CBs because "all we need is a pass rush" can you tell us where that pass rush is coming from? I mean we didn't have much of one last year. Are we relying on a rookie draft pick for that? Agreed on this. A pass rush would be great but I would always prefer to have a good secondary. The patriots won a superbowl last year with a solid secondary and an inconsistent pass rush at best. Seattle is in the same boat these days. They still have a very good secondary but their d-line doesn't get pressure the way it used to. Plus, our coaching staff hasn't really shown the ability to draft and coach up cornerbacks. So unless you're telling me we're going to draft the reincarnation of Deon Sanders or Charles Woodson (guys who can immediately come in and make plays) I would prefer to have butler.
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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Butler and the latest Originally Posted by ikecomp Agreed on this. A pass rush would be great but I would always prefer to have a good secondary. The patriots won a superbowl last year with a solid secondary and an inconsistent pass rush at best. Seattle is in the same boat these days. They still have a very good secondary but their d-line doesn't get pressure the way it used to. Plus, our coaching staff hasn't really shown the ability to draft and coach up cornerbacks. So unless you're telling me we're going to draft the reincarnation of Deon Sanders or Charles Woodson (guys who can immediately come in and make plays) I would prefer to have butler. Butler or even "the reincarnation of Deon Sanders or Charles Woodson" wouldn't help if the Saints don't have a pass rush. They'd get burned just like the other CBs.
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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Butler and the latest Originally Posted by ikecomp Plus, our coaching staff hasn't really shown the ability to draft and coach up cornerbacks. So unless you're telling me we're going to draft the reincarnation of Deon Sanders or Charles Woodson (guys who can immediately come in and make plays) I would prefer to have butler. I thought Aaron Glen did great coaching up the CBs the Saints brought in off the street last season. jnormand, aquaboogie and \|Mitch\| like this.
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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Butler and the latest Originally Posted by NonieT Butler or even "the reincarnation of Deon Sanders or Charles Woodson" wouldn't help if the Saints don't have a pass rush. They'd get burned just like the other CBs. That's true to a certain extent but there were plenty of plays last year where a pass rush wouldn't have helped because our secondary was letting guys get wide open almost immediately off the line or couldn't competently defense a pass (The crabtree play and the victor cruz play come to mind). Cam Jordan was top 16 in the league last year with the number of hurries he created so that's pretty decent. On the other hand I can't think of anybody in our secondary that was in the top 20 of any defensive back category last year. dizzle88 likes this.
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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Butler and the latest Originally Posted by NonieT I thought Aaron Glen did great coaching up the CBs the Saints brought in off the street last season. I need you to define great. Great as in he did the best he could with what he had or great as in his coaching lead to us having a productive secondary? I can only assume you mean the former and not the latter
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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Butler and the latest Originally Posted by ikecomp I need you to define great. Great as in he did the best he could with what he had or great as in his coaching lead to us having a productive secondary? I can only assume you mean the former and not the latter The former. These guys did come in off the street. He couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken feed. But at times, not all the time mind you but at times the secondary was very productive. Think how good the secondary could be with competent CB play. I think he's a great DB coach. aquaboogie likes this.
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04-24-2017, 05:28 PM	#50
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,626	Re: Butler and the latest Finally someone seen the light, Malcolm Butler worth is just as unpredictable as a high 3rd rd pick but more expensive. Malcolm don't face wr or qb like the talent in the NFC south. Sorry I doubted loomis intelligence. I prefer the saints to get Taco or Derek & Obi with 1st rd. Cris Samuel 2nd rd. Fabian Moreau & Sidney Jones 3rd rd

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