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WhoDat!656 04-24-2017 06:57 PM
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Also Ingram seems to play better when there is another RB; remember his outburst in the Cardinals game when Hightower got a TD Ingram thought should have been his?

Danno 04-24-2017 07:38 PM
Re: AP is close to deal with Saints
 
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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 745816)
Also Ingram seems to play better when there is another RB; remember his outburst in the Cardinals game when Hightower got a TD Ingram thought should have been his?
He didn't play better. He played the same.

pinch 04-24-2017 07:49 PM
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Somebody's getting an ass-whoppin' this year.

Danno 04-24-2017 07:52 PM
Re: AP is close to deal with Saints
 
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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 745809)
AP needs to be given the rock week 1 at least because Drew is not shredding that defense on the road.
You mean like perhaps...

27/35, 293 yards, 2TD's, 0 Picks, and a 120.3 rating?

neugey 04-24-2017 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 745799)
Probably 2 years. First year guaranteed week one of the season. A roster bonus paid the first week of league year 2018. So a one year contract if he makes it through training camp that can become a two year contract if the season works out. No dead money to speak of.


Nothing will. I keep telling ya'll (and my own brother, who would prefer the Saints be LSU) that we have 10 seasons of evidence of the Payton-Carmichael-Brees DNA. They are not going to run the ball. They are not going to run the offense through the running game. They are not going to keep one package out on the field. That isn't the Saints offense, and nothing short of all three leaving the organization is going to change it.

The reason that Ingram is now the near perfect back for this system is that he runs the ball efficiently. He can get 15-18 touches and end up with over 100 scrimmage yards both running and catching the ball. AP isn't going to change that. AP isn't going to change the offense.

To improve the run game, improve the defense. The Saints run the ball when up by 10,14,17,21+ in the second half. Poor defense makes this a rarity.

An improved defense will make the rush game more effective. Having Ingram and AP pounding the ball in the 4th quarter will be effective.

But if the score is 35-27 with the Saints on the losing end, you can forget it.

SFIAH
Good points there. about the best we can hope for is that AP's presence will prompt Payton to come back to the run more often, particularly when their defense seems tired or on the ropes.

ChrisXVI 04-24-2017 08:08 PM
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I'm really conflicted about this move. Not even sure how to describe why I'm conflicted because it's a cheap deal and he's one of the greatest of all time so it should be a no-brainer. There's just something that bugs me about him.

WillSaints81 04-24-2017 08:15 PM
Re: AP is close to deal with Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 745823)
You mean like perhaps...

27/35, 293 yards, 2TD's, 0 Picks, and a 120.3 rating?
What stat are you pulling up? Brees hasn't played the vikings since 2014 and that game was pathetic(20-9).

And here's some stats
@NYG-29/44, 263 yards, 1 TD, 43.3 QBR and 89.5 passer rating
@SD-23/36, 207 yards, 2 TD, 2 INTs, 73.4 QBR, 74.7 passer rating
@Car-35/44, 285 yards, 79.5, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 54.8 QBR, 99.3 passer rating(those two TDs came in fourth)
Det-31/44, 326 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 30.6 QBR, 63.3 passer rating
@TB-25/41, 257 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 28.7 QBR 48.5 passer rating
@Atl-29/50, 350 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 50.2 QBR, 84.6 passer rating

burningmetal 04-24-2017 08:41 PM
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I've been fine with the idea of signing him for the right price, from the beginning, and I remain fine with it. I keep hearing people talk about him like he's washed up, and keep hearing how he hasn't played much in the last "couple of years" from tv people. In actuality, he hasn't played much in two of the last three, but in between was a nearly 1500 yard season. He only has one season separating himself from that. If he gets back healthy, no he won't be 25 year old AP, but can he rush for 1200 and average close to 5 yards a carry? I think so. But he won't have to, as part of a tandem. 15 carries a game out of him could be an extremely productive scenario out of a platoon guy.

This isn't like when Emmitt Smith went to the Cardinals for his final year, when he had already been in a huge decline for at least three years.

K Major 04-24-2017 08:51 PM
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It's surprising to see so many people saying they don't like the move or they don't see how AP fits. This is how AP fits, he's Adrian Friggin Peterson! I don't care if he's 32, he's still an upgrade over Hightower. That's not a knock on Hightower, it's just that AP is one of the best to ever do it. So if we replace a player with a better player, to me that's a good move. I don't think the FO would throw huge money at him and why would they?

As far as Ingram is concerned yeah he might get a little salty with AP taking away some carries but Ingram is at his best when he's mad. Ingram has played the best football of his career with Hightower there to push him. So you'd have Mark Ingram running angry and AP coming off the bench in relief. That would be a pretty solid one two punch. And if Ingram gets hurt then you have Adrian Peterson to replace him with.

Where is the downside???

burningmetal 04-24-2017 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 745834)
It's surprising to see so many people saying they don't like the move or they don't see how AP fits. This is how AP fits, he's Adrian Friggin Peterson! I don't care if he's 32, he's still an upgrade over Hightower. That's not a knock on Hightower, it's just that AP is one of the best to ever do it. So if we replace a player with a better player, to me that's a good move. I don't think the FO would throw huge money at him and why would they?

As far as Ingram is concerned yeah he might get a little salty with AP taking away some carries but Ingram is at his best when he's mad. Ingram has played the best football of his career with Hightower there to push him. So you'd have Mark Ingram running angry and AP coming off the bench in relief. That would be a pretty solid one two punch. And if Ingram gets hurt then you have Adrian Peterson to replace him with.

Where is the downside???
Completely agreed.

ChrisXVI 04-24-2017 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 745834)
It's surprising to see so many people saying they don't like the move or they don't see how AP fits. This is how AP fits, he's Adrian Friggin Peterson! I don't care if he's 32, he's still an upgrade over Hightower. That's not a knock on Hightower, it's just that AP is one of the best to ever do it. So if we replace a player with a better player, to me that's a good move. I don't think the FO would throw huge money at him and why would they?

As far as Ingram is concerned yeah he might get a little salty with AP taking away some carries but Ingram is at his best when he's mad. Ingram has played the best football of his career with Hightower there to push him. So you'd have Mark Ingram running angry and AP coming off the bench in relief. That would be a pretty solid one two punch. And if Ingram gets hurt then you have Adrian Peterson to replace him with.

Where is the downside???
No downside on the field. I just think he's an absolute piece of crap. Junior Galette still gets trashed and we're bringing in AP?

The Dude 04-24-2017 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 745836)
No downside on the field. I just think he's an absolute piece of crap. Junior Galette still gets trashed and we're bringing in AP?
Jr was also a locker room cancer and twitter crybaby. APs problems were off the field and won't effect play or performance. I'll take a player like AP any day. It's not like Payton himself is a boyscout.

Beastmode 04-24-2017 09:12 PM
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Don't sign him! Ok sign him. But he better be still good.

ChrisXVI 04-24-2017 09:27 PM
Re: AP is close to deal with Saints
 
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 745837)
Jr was also a locker room cancer and twitter crybaby. APs problems were off the field and won't effect play or performance. I'll take a player like AP any day. It's not like Payton himself is a boyscout.
The problem with trying to debate something like this is that we'll just be totally speculating because none of us were in these locker rooms or know what it's like to be their team mate. All I can say is that I don't like the dude and it'll be hard to root for him. Won't be the first or last time that's happened so I'll survive.

burningmetal 04-24-2017 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 745840)
The problem with trying to debate something like this is that we'll just be totally speculating because none of us were in these locker rooms or know what it's like to be their team mate. All I can say is that I don't like the dude and it'll be hard to root for him. Won't be the first or last time that's happened so I'll survive.
Junior is more reviled around here because he "stole" a lot of money, by getting that big contract and then acting like an idiot. I seem to remember that his teammates had also soured to him. I don't know what Peterson's teammates thought of him, exactly, but I never heard anything negative from them.

My opinion is that the league is likely full of less then spectacular human beings, whom we don't hear about because they manage to keep it out of the open. But as long as those guys aren't causing problems in the locker room, they are productive, and you can afford them (which, this should be a relatively cheap deal) then as a team, you can live with them not being the greatest people in their personal lives.

SaintFanInATLHELL 04-25-2017 02:41 PM
Re: AP is close to deal with Saints
 
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 745798)
Wonder what the contract length is and if we left ourselves an out if it doesn't work out right. Would hate to see dead money.

But dang if this won't commit Payton to running the ball, nothing will.
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 745799)
Probably 2 years. First year guaranteed week one of the season. A roster bonus paid the first week of league year 2018. So a one year contract if he makes it through training camp that can become a two year contract if the season works out. No dead money to speak of.
Can I call it? I believe I hit the three! from http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...l-with-saints/

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Peterson also gave the full details of the contract as well. The deal is a one-year contract to start with an option for a second year for New Orleans. Peterson will earn $3.5 million in fully guaranteed money this season with a $2.5 million signing bonus and $1 million in guaranteed base salary.

His 2018 option would carry $3.5 million in non-guaranteed money with $2.4 million in roster bonuses. The $3.5 million comes from $1.05 million in base salary, $1.65 million in per game roster bonuses, a $750,000 roster bonus that triggers on the third day of the league year and a $50,000 workout bonus.
SFIAH

K Major 04-25-2017 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 745916)
SFIAH,

You better hurry up and get a Power Ball ticket!


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