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jeanpierre 04-28-2017 12:16 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 747122)
And what would have cost to jump the Niners for Foster? It would have taken two picks, at least, including a third this season. Not worth it. There's too much talent left out there and Ramczyk was a bargain, and a need, at that spot.

And there's also the bargain-basement deal we have in Klein and Robertson and possibly Te'o if he's recovered...

We have no depth behind the ageless wonder Zach Strief...

We have three (3) offensive tackles on the roster and one of them, Peat, is the starting LG, Armstead has had a propensity to injury in his young career, and then there's a 33 yo right tackle...

Look at our offensive line now, with that one selection...


SAINTS OFFENSIVE LINE DEPTH CHART - 2017 NFL Draft :bng:

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 65 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 73 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 66 - Jack Allen

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 65 - Senio Kelemete

RT (2) 64 - Zach Strief, 65 - Ryan Ramcyzk (R1, P32)


Now, Peat can prepare all week at LG and not have to go through all the last minute adjustments he had last season...

And I'm not sold on Warford, that's why I really wanted to spend the wee little bit extra and secure Kevin Zeitler...

Now we may still have to seriously consider Dan Feeney in the second round...

ScottF 04-28-2017 12:18 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 747116)
I love the OT pick, for years I've wanted a midwest country strong lineman.

both Strief and Armstead would qualify under that criteria

lee909 04-28-2017 12:27 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
Would anyone consider moving up after pick 42?

Just thinking say you get Cunningham or McDowell there and the other and another pass rusher is on the board would throw both 3s at someone looking to move down to get back into the 2nd

|Mitch| 04-28-2017 12:28 PM

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Ashley 04-28-2017 12:39 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
But you didn't have the bottom of the league defense for three to four years in a row.

turbo_dog 04-28-2017 12:42 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
The more I ponder this pick, the more I like it. They didn't reach for a player, nor did they move up and lose picks. After getting the #1 CB, the Saints stayed at 32 and picked up a #1 or #2 OT. We needed depth and maybe even a starter on the line. I don't think anyone will argue how important it is to protect Drew Brees in the next few years.

As much as I wanted Foster, this pick feels safe and successful. We've done pretty well with Big 10 O linemen in the past.

Now let's go get Tim Williams, Zach Cunningham, Curtis Samuel, and Jordan Legget.

|Mitch| 04-28-2017 12:42 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
We were all saying the team needed pass rushers and secondary; they grab the best CB in the draft and everyone *******... I just don't get it :rolleyes:

Pass rusher is a certainty today; as well :rolleyes:

|Mitch| 04-28-2017 12:44 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
Niners don't believe Reuben Foster needs another surgery - NFL.com

That would of made sense, for those who want to complain about Lattimores hamstring :rolleyes:

Euphoria 04-28-2017 01:09 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
Only time will tell. I don't hate the pick. I mean We aren't a team that drafts on needs we have been a BPA with that in mind I do like the pick. Lets hope they hit homeruns and make the team.

|Mitch| 04-28-2017 01:11 PM

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Here is a bunch of highlight videos of Ramchzyk

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/4/27/...-chris-wormley

frydaddy 04-28-2017 01:17 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
I may be in the minority, but I didn't feel like CB was a need, that's why I'm *****y about the pick. I understand the position was decimated by injuries last year, but that was last year. I understand that it could happen to the same group again this year, but it could just as easily be the D-line, or LB's or WR's or any other position group that gets hit this year. Or maybe, just maybe we'll get through this year without a crap ton of injuries to any particular group. I hope Lattimore turns out to be great, but I'd almost be willing to bet my life that Foster will be great. But whatever, my say doesn't matter so all I can do is hope for the best and pray that we don't live to regret passing on him.

|Mitch| 04-28-2017 01:19 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 747160)
but I'd almost be willing to bet my life that Foster will be great. But whatever, my say doesn't matter so all I can do is hope for the best and pray that we don't live to regret passing on him.

Rumors are swirling that Foster may need another shoulder surgery; could be on the bench before the season ever starts... :bugeyes:

frydaddy 04-28-2017 02:01 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 747162)
Rumors are swirling that Foster may need another shoulder surgery; could be on the bench before the season ever starts... :bugeyes:

The 49ers don't seem to think so. Time will tell I suppose.

|Mitch| 04-28-2017 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 747172)
The 49ers don't seem to think so. Time will tell I suppose.

That's a risk I wouldn't dare to gamble on in the first round

RaginCajun83 04-28-2017 02:50 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 747137)
both Strief and Armstead would qualify under that criteria

Ark- Pine Bluff and Northwestern aren't Offensive Lineman schools, hope this guy replaces that sack of **** Strief this year

foreverfan 04-28-2017 02:53 PM

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DRAFT REPAIR ON IN FULL MODE

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-W...%2B001%2B3.gif

http://cdn.gifbay.com/2013/05/happy_...rash-48930.gif

WillSaints81 04-28-2017 04:43 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 747114)
Again I like the pick, but if from what I hear from the expert analyst that have repeatedly said he will be a back up. I'm hoping get he starts straight up.
All I am saying is I would rather have Defense. 11 DE, 32 lb, or corner.
And if he can get a sack somehow or cause turnovers. I'll do back flips with my Ole ass


We have had injuries on the oline every year. I doubt he does not see the field next season. And we had no depth behind our starters. If Armstead was healthy, we probably play better offensively against Carolina(2nd game), Detroit, TB, Atlanta....And Peat was not as good at LT and LG was clearly the weakest link when Armstead went down.

Maybe Armstead does not get hurt, but still the Oline has had problems every season so far when facing tough pass rushers.

WillSaints81 04-28-2017 04:50 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 747183)
Ark- Pine Bluff and Northwestern aren't Offensive Lineman schools, hope this guy replaces that sack of **** Strief this year

Was Streiff a issue last year? I heard nothing but raves since it was said he struggled before because of the oline coach.

|Mitch| 04-28-2017 04:54 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
The issue with Strief is his lack of foot speed... Once he gets beat he doesn't have the athleticism to recover...

That's the way I see it

QBREES9 04-28-2017 09:21 PM

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I love these two picks!

WW_Who_Dat 04-29-2017 09:42 AM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
I think on the whole we have stocked piled a lot of talent ... The competition will be a good thing this summer and will sort itself out for the best 53 man roster ... Better defense of course but a lot of moves in the off season and some very good selections in the draft were made by "The Team" thankful not by listening to the fan base, granted one of the best well informed groups out there but fans non the less not GM's Scouts and HC's ... But the offense has been missing some key pieces as well and I am not at all upset with the running back selection ... MI is most likely gone in 2018 ... AP not likely to make 2 years ... In the end it will be more about balance and chemistry with depth to the roster. OG Who Dat 67 Tulane Stadium ... Still here today!

The Dude 05-01-2017 04:13 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 747038)
We all get you pick to build and for the future. However if you a coach and your 7-9 three years in a row. Having a qb is in only a two - three span, at best. You pick where you need by far the most help. Which is defense
Offense top 5 for how many years in a row.
Defense , bottom half for how many years in a row.
Let me say I do like the pick, please get starters for now. I hope he beats out Street, then I'm happy

You don't pick a defensive player over an offensive player of need when that offensive player has much more value than any defensive player on the board. Especially one ranked number 1 at that position. Ever. We had a hole on the offensive line and it's filled. Our line has the potential to be scary good.

Rugby Saint II 05-01-2017 04:36 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
Drafting for need is suicide. We are still alive and kicking today so I'm pleased with our draft. There was some serious talent brought on board through the draft and the UDFA's.

Euphoria 05-01-2017 04:40 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
Never draft on needs...

Just watch the Bears set themselves back 5-7 years.

voodooido 05-01-2017 04:48 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 747021)
Maybe he'd be there 10 picks later at 42, maybe not. Maybe he is an upgrade over Strief...

All I know if we could have jumped the Niners at 31 and gotten Foster, a second starter on defense for probably a 7th this year or next. Pissed.

Jumps to get a guy with a attitude problem and a bum shoulder? No thanks.

AsylumGuido 05-01-2017 05:30 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 748556)
Jumps to get a guy with a attitude problem and a bum shoulder? No thanks.

And who is this you are pontificating about?

:confused:

Seer1 05-01-2017 08:48 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 748555)
Never draft on needs...

Just watch the Bears set themselves back 5-7 years.

Yes draft intelligently for needs. NOBODY needed Trubisky even close to that bad.

rezburna 05-01-2017 08:54 PM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 747231)
The issue with Strief is his lack of foot speed... Once he gets beat he doesn't have the athleticism to recover...

That's the way I see it

Yup.

jeanpierre 05-05-2017 06:37 AM

Re: Despite defensive needs, Saints pick offensive tackle at No. 32
 
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 747231)
The issue with Strief is his lack of foot speed... Once he gets beat he doesn't have the athleticism to recover...

That's the way I see it

And yet, over the past five years, he's consistently ranked at or as the best we have...

Hey, I cringe and wait for a limb to fly out when he's in space, it's like watching Willard learn to dance in Footloose...

But other than some really nasty sacks by Ahmad Brooks, Country Boy Strief hasn't had anybody knock him off...

Ramczyk will learn from one of the best and really reminds me of Stan Brock...


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