Undrafted Free Agent Watch

burningmetal · 04-29-2017, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

We can debate about these UDFAs all we want but they are all PS fodder.

Yeah, UDFA's never makes active rosters, much less contribute. Pierre Thomas and Lance Moore are surely proof of that.

Some guys make immediate impacts, while others might take a year or so, but there are diamonds in the rough among free agents.

jnormand · 04-29-2017, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Yeah, UDFA's never makes active rosters, much less contribute. Pierre Thomas and Lance Moore are surely proof of that.

Some guys make immediate impacts, while others might take a year or so, but there are diamonds in the rough among free agents.

Wasn't Snead? And Tommylee the Flea made the team last year. And wasn't Coleman? Hey there's lots of stuff out there. Sometimes they're like PT, sometimes they never make it to the 53. But sometimes they make the team and turn out to be solid!

burningmetal · 04-30-2017, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Wasn't Snead? And Tommylee the Flea made the team last year. And wasn't Coleman? Hey there's lots of stuff out there. Sometimes they're like PT, sometimes they never make it to the 53. But sometimes they make the team and turn out to be solid!

Yeah Snead was, too. I didn't mention players like Coleman and Tommylee because they're kind of on the roster by default, right now. But yeah, it takes a short memory for someone to say that UDFA's are just practice squad fodder. They have just as much chance of making the team as a late round pick. You gotta get a little lucky, but there are good one's out there.

I always prefer our UDFA class over our picks in the 5th through 7th rounds (with some exceptions, obviously). They draft guys who either barely played, or have some kind of major issues in the late rounds, and then suddenly, when the draft is over, they find productive college players. I've always believed in production over "upside", unless the player with upside has actually demonstrated an ability on the field and not just gone to the combine and run all kinds of pointless drills, and wowed scouts, while having been extremely lackluster on the field.

WillSaints81 · 04-30-2017, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Wasn't Snead? And Tommylee the Flea made the team last year. And wasn't Coleman? Hey there's lots of stuff out there. Sometimes they're like PT, sometimes they never make it to the 53. But sometimes they make the team and turn out to be solid!

See my most recent post here and you will see what I mean. Snead was not UDFA for us, he was a brown first.

WillSaints81 · 04-30-2017, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Yeah, UDFA's never makes active rosters, much less contribute. Pierre Thomas and Lance Moore are surely proof of that.

Some guys make immediate impacts, while others might take a year or so, but there are diamonds in the rough among free agents.

PT and Lance Moore were picked up when? Who have we gotten that's been a contributor to the team since Ireland came on? Ireland is not good at picking the UDFAs like Pace and Reese were. We traded UDFA value for Draft value.

burningmetal · 04-30-2017, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

PT and Lance Moore were picked up when? Who have we gotten that's been a contributor to the team since Ireland came on? Ireland is not good at picking the UDFAs like Pace and Reese were. We traded UDFA value for Draft value.

Who cares when they were signed, or where? These are guys that went undrafted and made an impact in this league. The point couldn't be simpler. There ARE diamonds in the rough, and you just have to hit on one every now and then. What, do you expect an 80% success rate? 50%?

Of course you aren't going to strike gold every single year. But you can't just say they're all "PS fodder", as if none of them have any chance. History proves you wrong.

WillSaints81 · 04-30-2017, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Who cares when they were signed, or where? These are guys that went undrafted and made an impact in this league. The point couldn't be simpler. There ARE diamonds in the rough, and you just have to hit on one every now and then. What, do you expect an 80% success rate? 50%?

Of course you aren't going to strike gold every single year. But you can't just say they're all "PS fodder", as if none of them have any chance. History proves you wrong.

2007
PT
2008
Moore

2009

2010
Ivory

2011

2012

2013
Bush

2014(the last season with Pace)
Coleman(maybe)

We're talking about a trend where under Reese and Pace, the FO had a propensity for landing UDFA gems. Who's responsible for scouting the UDFAs?

burningmetal · 05-01-2017, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

2007
PT
2008
Moore

2009

2010
Ivory

2011

2012

2013
Bush

2014(the last season with Pace)
Coleman(maybe)

We're talking about a trend where under Reese and Pace, the FO had a propensity for landing UDFA gems. Who's responsible for scouting the UDFAs?

You just refuse to get see the point. I know when those guys were signed. I asked you WHY it matters when or where they were signed. I don't care who scouts these players, because it's a crap shoot. But there is no risk, and every now and then you get a good one. So you sign a bunch of guys and see if anyone sticks.

Pace has been in Chicago for a few years now. How's that going? You want him back here scouting for us? Nobody has a propensity for landing UDFA gems. It's just something that happens, or it doesn't. Yet you want to poo poo any discussion of UDFA'S now, while giving credit to some guy who's in Chicago bombing with some truly mystifying decisions.

|Mitch| · 05-01-2017, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Pace has been in Chicago for a few years now. How's that going?

Believe those answer your questions

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burningmetal · 05-01-2017, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

https://twitter.com/kpatra/status/857752948130099200

https://twitter.com/BrianHedger/stat...05611068792832

Believe those answer your questions

Yep, that was my insinuation without having to point out the obvious to him. That's a funny wiki page, too. Good stuff.

04-29-2017, 10:39 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Undrafted Free Agent Watch Originally Posted by WillSaints81 We can debate about these UDFAs all we want but they are all PS fodder. Yeah, UDFA's never makes active rosters, much less contribute. Pierre Thomas and Lance Moore are surely proof of that. Some guys make immediate impacts, while others might take a year or so, but there are diamonds in the rough among free agents.

04-29-2017, 10:49 PM	#2
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,736	Re: Undrafted Free Agent Watch Originally Posted by burningmetal Yeah, UDFA's never makes active rosters, much less contribute. Pierre Thomas and Lance Moore are surely proof of that. Some guys make immediate impacts, while others might take a year or so, but there are diamonds in the rough among free agents. Wasn't Snead? And Tommylee the Flea made the team last year. And wasn't Coleman? Hey there's lots of stuff out there. Sometimes they're like PT, sometimes they never make it to the 53. But sometimes they make the team and turn out to be solid! hagan714 likes this.

04-30-2017, 12:49 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Undrafted Free Agent Watch Originally Posted by jnormand Wasn't Snead? And Tommylee the Flea made the team last year. And wasn't Coleman? Hey there's lots of stuff out there. Sometimes they're like PT, sometimes they never make it to the 53. But sometimes they make the team and turn out to be solid! Yeah Snead was, too. I didn't mention players like Coleman and Tommylee because they're kind of on the roster by default, right now. But yeah, it takes a short memory for someone to say that UDFA's are just practice squad fodder. They have just as much chance of making the team as a late round pick. You gotta get a little lucky, but there are good one's out there. I always prefer our UDFA class over our picks in the 5th through 7th rounds (with some exceptions, obviously). They draft guys who either barely played, or have some kind of major issues in the late rounds, and then suddenly, when the draft is over, they find productive college players. I've always believed in production over "upside", unless the player with upside has actually demonstrated an ability on the field and not just gone to the combine and run all kinds of pointless drills, and wowed scouts, while having been extremely lackluster on the field. jnormand likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-30-2017, 10:56 AM	#4
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Undrafted Free Agent Watch Originally Posted by jnormand Wasn't Snead? And Tommylee the Flea made the team last year. And wasn't Coleman? Hey there's lots of stuff out there. Sometimes they're like PT, sometimes they never make it to the 53. But sometimes they make the team and turn out to be solid! See my most recent post here and you will see what I mean. Snead was not UDFA for us, he was a brown first.

04-30-2017, 10:53 AM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Undrafted Free Agent Watch Originally Posted by burningmetal Yeah, UDFA's never makes active rosters, much less contribute. Pierre Thomas and Lance Moore are surely proof of that. Some guys make immediate impacts, while others might take a year or so, but there are diamonds in the rough among free agents. PT and Lance Moore were picked up when? Who have we gotten that's been a contributor to the team since Ireland came on? Ireland is not good at picking the UDFAs like Pace and Reese were. We traded UDFA value for Draft value.

04-30-2017, 10:20 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Undrafted Free Agent Watch Originally Posted by WillSaints81 PT and Lance Moore were picked up when? Who have we gotten that's been a contributor to the team since Ireland came on? Ireland is not good at picking the UDFAs like Pace and Reese were. We traded UDFA value for Draft value. Who cares when they were signed, or where? These are guys that went undrafted and made an impact in this league. The point couldn't be simpler. There ARE diamonds in the rough, and you just have to hit on one every now and then. What, do you expect an 80% success rate? 50%? Of course you aren't going to strike gold every single year. But you can't just say they're all "PS fodder", as if none of them have any chance. History proves you wrong.

04-30-2017, 11:41 PM	#7
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Undrafted Free Agent Watch Originally Posted by burningmetal Who cares when they were signed, or where? These are guys that went undrafted and made an impact in this league. The point couldn't be simpler. There ARE diamonds in the rough, and you just have to hit on one every now and then. What, do you expect an 80% success rate? 50%? Of course you aren't going to strike gold every single year. But you can't just say they're all "PS fodder", as if none of them have any chance. History proves you wrong. 2007 PT 2008 Moore 2009 2010 Ivory 2011 2012 2013 Bush 2014(the last season with Pace) Coleman(maybe) We're talking about a trend where under Reese and Pace, the FO had a propensity for landing UDFA gems. Who's responsible for scouting the UDFAs? hagan714 likes this.

05-01-2017, 12:41 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Undrafted Free Agent Watch Originally Posted by WillSaints81 2007 PT 2008 Moore 2009 2010 Ivory 2011 2012 2013 Bush 2014(the last season with Pace) Coleman(maybe) We're talking about a trend where under Reese and Pace, the FO had a propensity for landing UDFA gems. Who's responsible for scouting the UDFAs? You just refuse to get see the point. I know when those guys were signed. I asked you WHY it matters when or where they were signed. I don't care who scouts these players, because it's a crap shoot. But there is no risk, and every now and then you get a good one. So you sign a bunch of guys and see if anyone sticks. Pace has been in Chicago for a few years now. How's that going? You want him back here scouting for us? Nobody has a propensity for landing UDFA gems. It's just something that happens, or it doesn't. Yet you want to poo poo any discussion of UDFA'S now, while giving credit to some guy who's in Chicago bombing with some truly mystifying decisions.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-01-2017, 12:54 AM	#9
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Undrafted Free Agent Watch Originally Posted by burningmetal Pace has been in Chicago for a few years now. How's that going? Twitter Twitter Believe those answer your questions hagan714 and CharityMike like this.

05-01-2017, 12:57 AM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Undrafted Free Agent Watch Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| https://twitter.com/kpatra/status/857752948130099200 https://twitter.com/BrianHedger/stat...05611068792832 Believe those answer your questions Yep, that was my insinuation without having to point out the obvious to him. That's a funny wiki page, too. Good stuff.

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