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spkb25 04-30-2017 07:36 AM

Interesting comment just now on Top 10
 
So I was watching Top 10 on NFL network and they had a clip from Bill Walsh about players they drafted, etc. He said we took chances on injured players and thankfully for us they all turned out to be okay. Just thought that interesting considering our recent draft and the concerns we have, myself included.

hagan714 04-30-2017 08:25 AM

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Round 1 will always boil down to
Need vs BPA
Marshon Lattimore Vs O.J. Howard

Lattimore is a gamble on injury history, upside and a need. There is no argument that can be made to say Howard was not the safer pick. The grades will come in when each player comes for extended contracts in 5 years.

round 2 pick given up for Alvin Kamara, which I am still on the fence about, but the in SP I trust might be were I end up with this pick.

Alex Anzalone was a solid gamble because of the round he was drafted in. I am not agree with the pick but it is a pick I understand. Controlled aggression training maybe the key.

The sixth round pick of "ol whats his name" in the sixth is still a head banger IMO.

The fact we gave up a 5th last year and once again gave up a 2nd in next years draft makes me worry about the saints using picks like they are time outs. This is a history that worries me. They seem to ignore the fact that about 65% of NFL rosters are made up players picked in rounds 4 thru 6.

How do you go into a draft with 2 1st and 2 3rds and not get any extra picks? Yet again? Especially for a team in such need of talent in so many positions?

I hate the fact I have to watch Brian Hill, OJ Howard, Curtis Samuel, Duke Riley, Chris Godwin and Christian McCaffrey twice a year.

We did not replace Cook to boot.

So all in all it aint as bad as the past few years drafts I will give the 2017 draft that.

AsylumGuido 04-30-2017 10:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 748325)
Round 1 will always boil down to
Need vs BPA
Marshon Lattimore Vs O.J. Howard

Lattimore is a gamble on injury history, upside and a need. There is no argument that can be made to say Howard was not the safer pick. The grades will come in when each player comes for extended contracts in 5 years.

round 2 pick given up for Alvin Kamara, which I am still on the fence about, but the in SP I trust might be were I end up with this pick.

Alex Anzalone was a solid gamble because of the round he was drafted in. I am not agree with the pick but it is a pick I understand. Controlled aggression training maybe the key.

The sixth round pick of "ol whats his name" in the sixth is still a head banger IMO.

The fact we gave up a 5th last year and once again gave up a 2nd in next years draft makes me worry about the saints using picks like they are time outs. This is a history that worries me. They seem to ignore the fact that about 65% of NFL rosters are made up players picked in rounds 4 thru 6.

How do you go into a draft with 2 1st and 2 3rds and not get any extra picks? Yet again? Especially for a team in such need of talent in so many positions?

I hate the fact I have to watch Brian Hill, OJ Howard, Curtis Samuel, Duke Riley, Chris Godwin and Christian McCaffrey twice a year.

We did not replace Cook to boot.

So all in all it aint as bad as the past few years drafts I will give the 2017 draft that.

I believe that we did replace Cooks. With Ted Ginn. Michael Thomas clearly became our #1 receiver by the end of the season. Willie Snead is pure money in the clutch. Cooks had become more of a decoy than a primary weapon. He had also become a distraction. Ginn can be used to stretch the field in exactly the same manner as Cooks. I also see Kamara as a player that replaces some of the things that Cooks could do.

WillSaints81 04-30-2017 10:36 AM

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Ginn lol, he's reliant on targets and will drop his share of deep passes, you watch.

AsylumGuido 04-30-2017 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 748343)
Ginn lol, he's reliant on targets and will drop his share of deep passes, you watch.

You totally missed the point. The undersized Cooks was handicapped on those deep passes. His value was more in his ability to stretch the field and in gimmick plays. Ginn has the downfield speed to stretch the field and Kamara can do anything that Cooks could on the gimmick plays.

I am also curious to see what Ginn can do with proper coaching, at last.

spkb25 04-30-2017 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 748339)
I believe that we did replace Cooks. With Ted Ginn. Michael Thomas clearly became our #1 receiver by the end of the season. Willie Snead is pure money in the clutch. Cooks had become more of a decoy than a primary weapon. He had also become a distraction. Ginn can be used to stretch the field in exactly the same manner as Cooks. I also see Kamara as a player that replaces some of the things that Cooks could do.

I think we replaced him with Guinn and the TN running back together ;)

K Major 04-30-2017 11:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 748343)
Ginn lol, he's reliant on targets and will drop his share of deep passes, you watch.


He's currently the best speedy deep threat on the roster, looks to be locked in as the 3rd receiver, and has averaged over 700 yards receiving the past 2 years. But you keep laughing though ...

|Mitch| 04-30-2017 11:35 AM

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I'll leave this here; and this is just from last year


blackangold 04-30-2017 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 748346)
You totally missed the point. The undersized Cooks was handicapped on those deep passes. His value was more in his ability to stretch the field and in gimmick plays. Ginn has the downfield speed to stretch the field and Kamara can do anything that Cooks could on the gimmick plays.

I am also curious to see what Ginn can do with proper coaching, at last.

Cooks was also awful at gimmick plays, he was plain bad as a runner in the open field. I don't recall him making many folks miss a tackle, hence why he was no longer the PR.

K Major 04-30-2017 11:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 748325)
We did not replace Cook to boot.

As long as we have #9 under center, we'll be fine.

Utah_Saint 04-30-2017 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 748362)
He's currently the best speedy deep threat on the roster, looks to be locked in as the 3rd receiver, and has averaged over 700 yards receiving the past 2 years. But you keep laughing though ...

And that was with Newton throwing him the ball.

2016
Brees 70% completion percentage, passer rating 101.7
Newton 52.9% (worst among QBs with 150 or more attempts) and a 75.8 passer rating (third worst among QBs with 150 or more attempts)

2015
Brees 68.3% completion percentage, 101.6 passer rating
Newton 59.8% with a 99.4 passer rating. (best year of his career)

I would expect Ginn's numbers to improve with the Saints.

Seer1 04-30-2017 02:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 748362)
He's currently the best speedy deep threat on the roster, looks to be locked in as the 3rd receiver, and has averaged over 700 yards receiving the past 2 years. But you keep laughing though ...

Plus, we have the guy who along with #9 that will help him work on those hands.

stickman 04-30-2017 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 748371)
And that was with Newton throwing him the ball.

2016
Brees 70% completion percentage, passer rating 101.7
Newton 52.9% (worst among QBs with 150 or more attempts) and a 75.8 passer rating (third worst among QBs with 150 or more attempts)

2015
Brees 68.3% completion percentage, 101.6 passer rating
Newton 59.8% with a 99.4 passer rating. (best year of his career)

I would expect Ginn's numbers to improve with the Saints.

I noticed in that video that while Cam threw some good passes. He under threw him a few times as well.

Rugby Saint II 05-01-2017 04:39 PM

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Taking chances on injured players has occasionally paid off.......Drew Brees starts the list.

AsylumGuido 05-01-2017 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 748554)
Taking chances on injured players has occasionally paid off.......Drew Brees starts the list.

Drop the damned mic!

Bang!

WillSaints81 05-01-2017 06:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 748371)
And that was with Newton throwing him the ball.

2016
Brees 70% completion percentage, passer rating 101.7
Newton 52.9% (worst among QBs with 150 or more attempts) and a 75.8 passer rating (third worst among QBs with 150 or more attempts)

2015
Brees 68.3% completion percentage, 101.6 passer rating
Newton 59.8% with a 99.4 passer rating. (best year of his career)

I would expect Ginn's numbers to improve with the Saints.

You're implaying we never had a bad receiver or a receiver miss catching perfectly thrown balls? Ginn's problem will be him not getting enough targets. Most receivers are not effective without 7 plus targets a game.

Utah_Saint 05-01-2017 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 748562)
You're implaying we never had a bad receiver or a receiver miss catching perfectly thrown balls? Ginn's problem will be him not getting enough targets. Most receivers are not effective without 7 plus targets a game.

I'm not "implaying" anything at all. I'm saying quite directly, I would expect receivers to be more productive with a more accurate passer.

Do you disagree?

Beastmode 05-01-2017 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 748363)
I'll leave this here; and this is just from last year

Ted Ginn Jr Highlights || 2016-2017 Season || Carolina Panthers || - YouTube

Ginn said he has a learning disability. I'll leave that there along with our playbook.

44Champs 05-01-2017 07:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 748325)

round 2 pick given up for Alvin Kamara, which I am still on the fence about, but the in SP I trust might be were I end up with this pick.



I totally agree with everything you said, especially this ^^. What does this pick say about Lasco?

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Seer1 05-01-2017 08:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 748581)
I totally agree with everything you said, especially this ^^. What does this pick say about Lasco?

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Round seven pick vs second rounder. Sean needs his toys to make his machine work. You keep shopping until you find the one that fits just right. The draft isn't an all you can eat buffet. You can't just go up and put every player that looks good on your plate.

foreverfan 05-01-2017 11:11 PM

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Well Brees had great numbers because our WRs rarely dropped the ball. Cooks made so many great catches.
I hope Ginn can do that, but we all doubt it. I don't think he will be any worse the Devery Henderson.


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