Interesting comment just now on Top 10

spkb25 · 04-30-2017, 08:36 AM

So I was watching Top 10 on NFL network and they had a clip from Bill Walsh about players they drafted, etc. He said we took chances on injured players and thankfully for us they all turned out to be okay. Just thought that interesting considering our recent draft and the concerns we have, myself included.

hagan714 · 04-30-2017, 09:25 AM

Round 1 will always boil down to
Need vs BPA
Marshon Lattimore Vs O.J. Howard

Lattimore is a gamble on injury history, upside and a need. There is no argument that can be made to say Howard was not the safer pick. The grades will come in when each player comes for extended contracts in 5 years.

round 2 pick given up for Alvin Kamara, which I am still on the fence about, but the in SP I trust might be were I end up with this pick.

Alex Anzalone was a solid gamble because of the round he was drafted in. I am not agree with the pick but it is a pick I understand. Controlled aggression training maybe the key.

The sixth round pick of "ol whats his name" in the sixth is still a head banger IMO.

The fact we gave up a 5th last year and once again gave up a 2nd in next years draft makes me worry about the saints using picks like they are time outs. This is a history that worries me. They seem to ignore the fact that about 65% of NFL rosters are made up players picked in rounds 4 thru 6.

How do you go into a draft with 2 1st and 2 3rds and not get any extra picks? Yet again? Especially for a team in such need of talent in so many positions?

I hate the fact I have to watch Brian Hill, OJ Howard, Curtis Samuel, Duke Riley, Chris Godwin and Christian McCaffrey twice a year.

We did not replace Cook to boot.

So all in all it aint as bad as the past few years drafts I will give the 2017 draft that.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2017, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Round 1 will always boil down to
Need vs BPA
Marshon Lattimore Vs O.J. Howard

Lattimore is a gamble on injury history, upside and a need. There is no argument that can be made to say Howard was not the safer pick. The grades will come in when each player comes for extended contracts in 5 years.

round 2 pick given up for Alvin Kamara, which I am still on the fence about, but the in SP I trust might be were I end up with this pick.

Alex Anzalone was a solid gamble because of the round he was drafted in. I am not agree with the pick but it is a pick I understand. Controlled aggression training maybe the key.

The sixth round pick of "ol whats his name" in the sixth is still a head banger IMO.

The fact we gave up a 5th last year and once again gave up a 2nd in next years draft makes me worry about the saints using picks like they are time outs. This is a history that worries me. They seem to ignore the fact that about 65% of NFL rosters are made up players picked in rounds 4 thru 6.

How do you go into a draft with 2 1st and 2 3rds and not get any extra picks? Yet again? Especially for a team in such need of talent in so many positions?

I hate the fact I have to watch Brian Hill, OJ Howard, Curtis Samuel, Duke Riley, Chris Godwin and Christian McCaffrey twice a year.

We did not replace Cook to boot.

So all in all it aint as bad as the past few years drafts I will give the 2017 draft that.

I believe that we did replace Cooks. With Ted Ginn. Michael Thomas clearly became our #1 receiver by the end of the season. Willie Snead is pure money in the clutch. Cooks had become more of a decoy than a primary weapon. He had also become a distraction. Ginn can be used to stretch the field in exactly the same manner as Cooks. I also see Kamara as a player that replaces some of the things that Cooks could do.

WillSaints81 · 04-30-2017, 11:36 AM

Ginn lol, he's reliant on targets and will drop his share of deep passes, you watch.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2017, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Ginn lol, he's reliant on targets and will drop his share of deep passes, you watch.

You totally missed the point. The undersized Cooks was handicapped on those deep passes. His value was more in his ability to stretch the field and in gimmick plays. Ginn has the downfield speed to stretch the field and Kamara can do anything that Cooks could on the gimmick plays.

I am also curious to see what Ginn can do with proper coaching, at last.

spkb25 · 04-30-2017, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I believe that we did replace Cooks. With Ted Ginn. Michael Thomas clearly became our #1 receiver by the end of the season. Willie Snead is pure money in the clutch. Cooks had become more of a decoy than a primary weapon. He had also become a distraction. Ginn can be used to stretch the field in exactly the same manner as Cooks. I also see Kamara as a player that replaces some of the things that Cooks could do.

I think we replaced him with Guinn and the TN running back together

K Major · 04-30-2017, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Ginn lol, he's reliant on targets and will drop his share of deep passes, you watch.

He's currently the best speedy deep threat on the roster, looks to be locked in as the 3rd receiver, and has averaged over 700 yards receiving the past 2 years. But you keep laughing though ...

|Mitch| · 04-30-2017, 12:35 PM

I'll leave this here; and this is just from last year

Ted Ginn Jr Highlights \|\| 2016-2017 Season \|\| Carolina Panthers \|\| - YouTube

blackangold · 04-30-2017, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You totally missed the point. The undersized Cooks was handicapped on those deep passes. His value was more in his ability to stretch the field and in gimmick plays. Ginn has the downfield speed to stretch the field and Kamara can do anything that Cooks could on the gimmick plays.

I am also curious to see what Ginn can do with proper coaching, at last.

Cooks was also awful at gimmick plays, he was plain bad as a runner in the open field. I don't recall him making many folks miss a tackle, hence why he was no longer the PR.

K Major · 04-30-2017, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

We did not replace Cook to boot.

As long as we have #9 under center, we'll be fine.

04-30-2017, 09:25 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Interesting comment just now on Top 10 Round 1 will always boil down to Need vs BPA Marshon Lattimore Vs O.J. Howard Lattimore is a gamble on injury history, upside and a need. There is no argument that can be made to say Howard was not the safer pick. The grades will come in when each player comes for extended contracts in 5 years. round 2 pick given up for Alvin Kamara, which I am still on the fence about, but the in SP I trust might be were I end up with this pick. Alex Anzalone was a solid gamble because of the round he was drafted in. I am not agree with the pick but it is a pick I understand. Controlled aggression training maybe the key. The sixth round pick of "ol whats his name" in the sixth is still a head banger IMO. The fact we gave up a 5th last year and once again gave up a 2nd in next years draft makes me worry about the saints using picks like they are time outs. This is a history that worries me. They seem to ignore the fact that about 65% of NFL rosters are made up players picked in rounds 4 thru 6. How do you go into a draft with 2 1st and 2 3rds and not get any extra picks? Yet again? Especially for a team in such need of talent in so many positions? I hate the fact I have to watch Brian Hill, OJ Howard, Curtis Samuel, Duke Riley, Chris Godwin and Christian McCaffrey twice a year. We did not replace Cook to boot. So all in all it aint as bad as the past few years drafts I will give the 2017 draft that.
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04-30-2017, 11:08 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Interesting comment just now on Top 10 Originally Posted by hagan714 Round 1 will always boil down to Need vs BPA Marshon Lattimore Vs O.J. Howard Lattimore is a gamble on injury history, upside and a need. There is no argument that can be made to say Howard was not the safer pick. The grades will come in when each player comes for extended contracts in 5 years. round 2 pick given up for Alvin Kamara, which I am still on the fence about, but the in SP I trust might be were I end up with this pick. Alex Anzalone was a solid gamble because of the round he was drafted in. I am not agree with the pick but it is a pick I understand. Controlled aggression training maybe the key. The sixth round pick of "ol whats his name" in the sixth is still a head banger IMO. The fact we gave up a 5th last year and once again gave up a 2nd in next years draft makes me worry about the saints using picks like they are time outs. This is a history that worries me. They seem to ignore the fact that about 65% of NFL rosters are made up players picked in rounds 4 thru 6. How do you go into a draft with 2 1st and 2 3rds and not get any extra picks? Yet again? Especially for a team in such need of talent in so many positions? I hate the fact I have to watch Brian Hill, OJ Howard, Curtis Samuel, Duke Riley, Chris Godwin and Christian McCaffrey twice a year. We did not replace Cook to boot. So all in all it aint as bad as the past few years drafts I will give the 2017 draft that. I believe that we did replace Cooks. With Ted Ginn. Michael Thomas clearly became our #1 receiver by the end of the season. Willie Snead is pure money in the clutch. Cooks had become more of a decoy than a primary weapon. He had also become a distraction. Ginn can be used to stretch the field in exactly the same manner as Cooks. I also see Kamara as a player that replaces some of the things that Cooks could do. foreverfan, Rugby Saint II and CharityMike like this.

04-30-2017, 11:36 AM	#4
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Interesting comment just now on Top 10 Ginn lol, he's reliant on targets and will drop his share of deep passes, you watch.

04-30-2017, 11:47 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Interesting comment just now on Top 10 Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Ginn lol, he's reliant on targets and will drop his share of deep passes, you watch. You totally missed the point. The undersized Cooks was handicapped on those deep passes. His value was more in his ability to stretch the field and in gimmick plays. Ginn has the downfield speed to stretch the field and Kamara can do anything that Cooks could on the gimmick plays. I am also curious to see what Ginn can do with proper coaching, at last.

04-30-2017, 12:05 PM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Interesting comment just now on Top 10 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I believe that we did replace Cooks. With Ted Ginn. Michael Thomas clearly became our #1 receiver by the end of the season. Willie Snead is pure money in the clutch. Cooks had become more of a decoy than a primary weapon. He had also become a distraction. Ginn can be used to stretch the field in exactly the same manner as Cooks. I also see Kamara as a player that replaces some of the things that Cooks could do. I think we replaced him with Guinn and the TN running back together shawnkytonk likes this.

04-30-2017, 08:36 AM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Interesting comment just now on Top 10 So I was watching Top 10 on NFL network and they had a clip from Bill Walsh about players they drafted, etc. He said we took chances on injured players and thankfully for us they all turned out to be okay. Just thought that interesting considering our recent draft and the concerns we have, myself included. jnormand, hagan714 and foreverfan like this.

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04-30-2017, 12:33 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Interesting comment just now on Top 10 Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Ginn lol, he's reliant on targets and will drop his share of deep passes, you watch. He's currently the best speedy deep threat on the roster, looks to be locked in as the 3rd receiver, and has averaged over 700 yards receiving the past 2 years. But you keep laughing though ...

04-30-2017, 12:45 PM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Interesting comment just now on Top 10 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You totally missed the point. The undersized Cooks was handicapped on those deep passes. His value was more in his ability to stretch the field and in gimmick plays. Ginn has the downfield speed to stretch the field and Kamara can do anything that Cooks could on the gimmick plays. I am also curious to see what Ginn can do with proper coaching, at last. Cooks was also awful at gimmick plays, he was plain bad as a runner in the open field. I don't recall him making many folks miss a tackle, hence why he was no longer the PR.

04-30-2017, 12:51 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Interesting comment just now on Top 10 Originally Posted by hagan714 We did not replace Cook to boot. As long as we have #9 under center, we'll be fine. SaintFanInATLHELL, foreverfan and SmashMouth like this.

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