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This sounds like a media hack soliciting for the Eagles...

They'd better back the Brinks truck up with Kelce...

With AP an unknown yet physically, I'm not sure we **** with our depth...

Saints still need to see Kelemete before the deal, personally, I'd sign a banged up Mangold as Kelce has also been the disgruntled type...

Plus, do you invest that much into Kelce with Unger still under contract...

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You and those cat videos. Got to love it!!

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Senio Kelemete steps up.

anyone ready to address the need for a backup C/G via the draft to groom for replacement down the road?

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I have no idea how he is injury wise and so but the idea isn't to crazy to me. Still plenty of time to get in shape for the season. Especially if its just to fill in a couple of games at the start of the season. Center, especially in an offence like ours is a complicated position.

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Thank you. Some voice of reason. Why the **** would trading Ingram make any logical sense at all?! It'd be irresponsible and totally crazy!

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If we signed Mangold, his contract would be guaranteed for the entire year.

If we cut him in week 8 he'd still get paid for the final nine games and would be able to sign elsewhere and get paid double for the final 9.

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Yeah there is that angle. That's up to Mangold. I say we stay the course and it's next man up.

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Can Mangold play another position?

Two scenarios:
- Unger takes longer than expected and Mangold keeps the job until the second half of the season or later
- Unger comes back 100%, and Mangold backs up at guard and OC

Another issue: Mangold is used to big money. Not sure we can afford him, even as a PT player

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But he has played for the Jets his whole career and might be cheaper if he goes to a team that isn't dysfunctional.

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****

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Can Ramzyk play center? I think otherwise the consensus is right on Mangold. We saw what happed last year without Unger against TB.

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We wanted him to start in 2014. Last year he was busy sharing time at LG when Unger was out.

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I just got back from the gym. I wasn't able to respond earlier when I found out.

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I'm not too worried. He's a vet and knows our system by now. He takes it slow and he can be ready for the season. More reps for the other guys.

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Have you seen Mangold recently?

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We've got someone that can handle center.

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Is he that bad? Otherwise Lelito.

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$$$$ - guarantee the money and Nick will show...

...like I said earlier, this is Philly beat writer making hay...

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In all reality this is the new elephant in the room. Once again, the injury bug hits us........that is the first.

#1 next season is center unless one of our UDFA's excels. Please bring someone else in now.

I don't feel comfortable with Kelemete(calamity) taking the center to start the season. We need to dominate on the O-line to get off to a strong start and his stating replacement isn't on the roster now. jmho

And stop with the Jimmy Graham fail talk. It gave us a first round draft pick and a starting center a couple of years ago and we dropped Jimmy's fat contract. This was a win for the FO. Selecting Anthony was where we failed.

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this is a dead horse i am still beating despite the years of decay

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I wouldn't be too sure about it just being speculation. Philly needs a RB in the worst way and I heard from other places before now that the Saints tried to trade Ingram earlier this spring with no success because the draft was deep at running back. With Philly not adequately addressing that position on draft day, I can see them as trade partners.

Come on guys, there is obviously a pattern here. Saints trade up to draft a RB who is better than Ingram in every way and also sign Adrian Peterson. Doesn't this look reminiscent of when they drafted Ingram when Bush was on the roster. Also, look at the fact that every malcontent has been cut or traded away. Galette, Lofton, Graham, Cooks, Lewis etc. It's clear Payton doesn't like insubordination or being challenged by his players. Anybody remember the many outbursts Ingram has had on the sidelines and I think the last one against the Cardinals was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Trust me when I say this....they're definitely trying to rid themselves of Ingram. Anybody with a me personality is being weeded out. Besides, it took Ingram like 5 years to finally get 1000 yds. People can say it's because he didn't get enough carries but I think the fact that he couldn't stay healthy is the reason he didn't get the lion's share of the carries. If Peterson is anywhere near his old self, Ingram is on the way out either this season or the next. There's no need for two workhorses and the pass catching role will be taken over by Kamara. Eventually, Kamara will take over full-time as the 3 down back.

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What period do you have gym?

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False.

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There is very much wrong with this post.

Philly couldn't sign AP? They couldn't have take Kamara before us? They didn't want Mixon, Lacy, Murray, Woodhead, Blount?

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Mark Ingram is such a tremendously high-character and beloved teammate... Trading him would be a massive mistake morale-wise. Say what you want about his on-field performances, but he's nothing short of a perfect role model off the field.

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I heard that he got pissed in the game against the Cards. But that's all I know of. Except him getting pissed after he got tackled so close to busting one for a big gainer (which doesn't bother me a bit because it seems he's pissed at himself), I don't know of any more. If there were several times when he threw a fit on the sidelines, I don't know about them.

I've never seen him get in trouble off the field. I haven't seen any tweets that were ill willed or showcased some sort of antisocial or passive aggressive attitude.

I'm not saying he hasn't done any of the above. I just haven't seen anything except the Cards game when he was doing a lot of the running in the middle of the field and Hightower was punching them in near the goal line. I didn't like that because a score is a score. But that's all I know of.

And he reacted well to the benching he got and came back running like a psycho.

I like Ingram and don't understand all the hate on the guy. If I'm wrong please enlighten me.

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Why? Are you the guy who wrote that article in the first place?

Two unknown quantities are going to come in and take over the rushing responsibilities while the Saints dump their only experienced runner on the chance the center may not be ready for the season? Really?

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Likely miss a few games but he could be in great shape when he returns. Cardio he can do pool and still do leg exercises barring squats. It's also early so plenty of time to prep and front load someone else. If it happened mid season way more devastating. This scenario we likely get two centers with a slight drop in skill. Not that concerned about it but anymore frontline losses and gonna be another long one.

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You can believe what you want but a lil birdie told me so.

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I wouldn't call a HOF RB an unknown quantity. Once upon a time Ingram was an unknown quantity by that logic when we let Bush walk. I think Peterson is here to bridge the gap between this year and next year. Cooks being traded should all but tell you how Payton feels about players who complain about not getting the ball which Ingram has done multiple times during the game on the sidelines throwing fits. It's embarrassing to Payton and the coaching staff and it makes the team look bad.

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Nobody hates Ingram. He just isn't a transcendent talent like an Adrian Peterson. Look at it this way. The only time Ingram performs it seems is when there is another running back threatening to take his place. If it takes you to get benched multiple times at this point in your career to light a fire under you something is wrong. Why else would they bring Peterson in here when he would play basically the same role as Ingram.

Let's break this down. Ingram is a back who needs volume and gets stronger as the game goes on. Peterson is a back who needs volume and gets stronger as the game goes on. The Saints could have picked up any younger back that's out there if the only requirement was to spell Ingram. Isn't Lasco on the roster? Could he not spell Ingram? Didn't they also just draft Kamara? Could he also not spell Ingram?

I'm just putting two and two together man. It's just not looking good for Ingram. What do you think is going to happen if Peterson comes in and looks like the player who ran for over 2000 yds? Not saying it will happen but if it does it's gonna be hard to keep that guy off the field. If Peterson starts to garner more touches than Ingram you already know he's going to throw a fit if history has anything to say about it.

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1. They were talking with Jamaal Charles.
2. Our draft spot was ahead of Philly so they would have to jump us. Also, maybe they didn't like Kamara as much as we did or think he was a fit for them.
3. Mixon was drafted by the Bengals who also was positioned ahead of philly and nobody was touching him in the first round. Lacy signed with Seattle. Woodhead signed with Baltimore. Murray signed with Minnesota. Blount doesn't fit Philly's scheme because they need a zone runner.

I don't get what you are getting at with these questions. You act as if Philly had first dibs on every running back available.

It makes sense to trade Ingram for Kelce and the 4th rd draft pick the Eagles got for Eric Rowe that could possibly become a 3rd rounder. I don't think it happens right away because I think they want to see how Peterson looks first. I think replacing our center is more important than Ingram. Without a good line, we won't be able to run anyway.

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Kelce was ranked 31st as a centre last year. He was a pro bowler on name only

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Think this would be a silly trade. Why would we do that when we already have an outstanding center?

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Yeah, that worked out really well with Goodwin.

Championship!

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It doesn't matter if a player once put up three hundred yards running on top of water. A guy coming back from an injury is just a guy coming back from an injury -particularly one to the lower extremities- until he proves himself for several games. That ain't gonna happen if there's not someone good hiking the ball in the first place. It makes much more sense to sign one of the guys already out there waiting than to trade the only back we know for sure is decent. Plus, Ingram came to the Saints a child. He's grown up quite a bit and hasn't done the tantrum thing in a couple of years now. He keeps running like he did last year and Payton'll keep taking him home for dinner.

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If they are as desperate as you say, then yes, they had "dibs" (aka cap space, draft picks) to get any of a number of backs. Or are you really insinuating that the Eagles were waiting around for an injury opportunity so they could make a trade?

C'mon Will's brother, reveal yourself

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LMAO stop panicking already.

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