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Papa Voodoo 05-09-2017 10:02 AM
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Mangold's got a bad ankle. Doubt we sign him. We won't see any signings until the weekend or sometime next week at the soonest. If we do, I think it means Unger is headed to IR.

Seer1 05-09-2017 10:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 749408)
LMAO stop panicking already.
Although this could be the first almost, sorta, kinda, semi-intelligent pseudo-discussion we've had since the draft....

ChrisXVI 05-09-2017 10:32 AM
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Maybe now we can calm down a bit.

AsylumGuido 05-09-2017 10:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 749412)
If you stop to consider that it was Ian Fullacrap that "reported" that Unger would miss the beginning of the season, you could pretty much guarantee that he would be back before then.

Ian Fullacrap, you are now zero for your life in "reporting anything accurate.

:rolleyes:

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ScottF 05-09-2017 11:08 AM
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Saints expect Max Unger back during the preseason | ProFootballTalk

hagan714 05-09-2017 11:17 AM
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now that the panic has set in.

can we all see we need to draft a replacement to start grooming now. One that has proven themselves as a guard and is showing solid upside at center.

K Major 05-09-2017 11:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 749415)
now that the panic has set in.

can we all see we need to draft a replacement to start grooming now. One that has proven themselves as a guard and is showing solid upside at center.
Who in particular is on your radar @ center? Are you not sold on Jack Allen?

spkb25 05-09-2017 11:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 749413)
If you stop to consider that it was Ian Fullacrap that "reported" that Unger would miss the beginning of the season, you could pretty much guarantee that he would be back before then.

Ian Fullacrap, you are now zero for your life in "reporting anything accurate.

:rolleyes:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1557057/ballface.gif
He talks so much BS it is unreal he is still employed. Literally nothing he has broken has come true.

jeanpierre 05-09-2017 11:58 AM
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Well, WDSU (New Orleans) was reporting October return last night...

Foot injuries are tricky; then, Unger would need conditioning as well...

K Major 05-09-2017 12:19 PM
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NFL network should hire Ed Werder and fire that clown Ian. I'm not a fan of how he reports and presents important breaking news stories across the league.

Papa Voodoo 05-09-2017 01:25 PM
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This looks like total garbage click bait, but says Mangold to visit NOLA:

New Orleans Saints Open Discussions with Nick Mangold – The 5th Tackle

AsylumGuido 05-09-2017 02:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 749419)
Well, WDSU (New Orleans) was reporting October return last night...

Foot injuries are tricky; then, Unger would need conditioning as well...
They, like several others, were just regurgitating what Fullacrap threw against the wall.

WillSaints81 05-09-2017 02:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dafyaman (Post 749396)
I wouldn't call a HOF RB an unknown quantity. Once upon a time Ingram was an unknown quantity by that logic when we let Bush walk. I think Peterson is here to bridge the gap between this year and next year. Cooks being traded should all but tell you how Payton feels about players who complain about not getting the ball which Ingram has done multiple times during the game on the sidelines throwing fits. It's embarrassing to Payton and the coaching staff and it makes the team look bad.
Ingram was drafted before Bush was let go and Ingram did not replace Bush, Sproles did.

WillSaints81 05-09-2017 02:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 749406)
If they are as desperate as you say, then yes, they had "dibs" (aka cap space, draft picks) to get any of a number of backs. Or are you really insinuating that the Eagles were waiting around for an injury opportunity so they could make a trade?

C'mon Will's brother, reveal yourself

I don't make speculation like this. I was right on the AP rumors but I know nothing about this.

aquaboogie 05-09-2017 02:31 PM
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Someone throw some Holy Water on Armsteads knees

dafyaman 05-10-2017 12:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 749405)
It doesn't matter if a player once put up three hundred yards running on top of water. A guy coming back from an injury is just a guy coming back from an injury -particularly one to the lower extremities- until he proves himself for several games. That ain't gonna happen if there's not someone good hiking the ball in the first place. It makes much more sense to sign one of the guys already out there waiting than to trade the only back we know for sure is decent. Plus, Ingram came to the Saints a child. He's grown up quite a bit and hasn't done the tantrum thing in a couple of years now. He keeps running like he did last year and Payton'll keep taking him home for dinner.
Ummm, if I recall he just threw a tantrum last year against the Cardinals because they gave Hightower the TD carriers because it was against his old team. He was on the sideline making a scene and cursing out the coaches. So, no, he hasn't grown up. It's for this same reason Graham and Cooks were traded. I guess I just imagined this.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/mark-i...012459044.html

dafyaman 05-10-2017 01:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 749433)
Ingram was drafted before Bush was let go and Ingram did not replace Bush, Sproles did.
Ummm, didn't Bush get traded the same year Ingram got drafted or do you not remember the infamous Bush tweet after Ingram got drafted.

After the Saints traded their way into the opening round and picked Alabama running back Mark Ingram, Reggie Bush tweeted, “It’s been fun New Orleans.”

How do you not know this as a Saints fan? Obviously Reggie thought he was being replaced and that he was. He was traded that same year to the Dolphins. He could not be the every down back the Saints wanted him to be so they essentially drafted Ingram to be that guy. I think they signed Sproles because Brees wanted him on the team because he knew Sproles would fit perfectly as a pass catching back.

jnormand 05-10-2017 06:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dafyaman (Post 749481)
Ummm, didn't Bush get traded the same year Ingram got drafted or do you not remember the infamous Bush tweet after Ingram got drafted.

After the Saints traded their way into the opening round and picked Alabama running back Mark Ingram, Reggie Bush tweeted, “It’s been fun New Orleans.”

How do you not know this as a Saints fan? Obviously Reggie thought he was being replaced and that he was. He was traded that same year to the Dolphins. He could not be the every down back the Saints wanted him to be so they essentially drafted Ingram to be that guy. I think they signed Sproles because Brees wanted him on the team because he knew Sproles would fit perfectly as a pass catching back.
Actually, I forgot about it until you said that. Regardless, I don't believe Ingram is on the chopping block. While I agree with you that Payton doesn't put up with attitude issues, the Cards game is the only time I've heard of anything happening.

Second, Bush was traded because he hadn't played a full season since his rookie year and he wasn't as effective in the offense.

I'm not saying there's no way the Saints don't trade Ingram, I'm saying I don't believe they will and I don't believe they'd bring in Peterson as the guy to "bridge the gap". Sorry man. We needed someone to replace Hightower. Peterson is that guy. I'd be surprised if Ingram was traded. Maybe if we still had Hightower and we signed Peterson. But Ingram is coming off his best year as a Saint. He's run the ball well and been effective in the passing game. Trading him without a proper (and reliable) back up plan would just be irresponsible. And IMHO I don't view a 32 year old running running back that has high mileage and is coming off injuries as "reliable".

jeanpierre 05-10-2017 09:58 AM
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:rolleyes:

K Major 05-10-2017 02:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dafyaman (Post 749399)

It makes sense to trade Ingram for Kelce and the 4th rd draft pick the Eagles got for Eric Rowe that could possibly become a 3rd rounder. I don't think it happens right away because I think they want to see how Peterson looks first. I think replacing our center is more important than Ingram. Without a good line, we won't be able to run anyway.
http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com...-nothing-to-it

AsylumGuido 05-10-2017 03:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 749519)
For those that are too lazy to click the link and read the article:

Quote:
On Wednesday morning, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter joined Anthony Gargano on 97.5 FM The Fanatic, a commercial station that covers Philadelphia sports. What was said in regards to the wildfire that was Mark Ingram trade rumors between the New Orleans Saints and Philadelphia Eagles was quickly put out.

Schefter said this in regards to the speculation that started with a simple suggestion that escalated into a supposed real conversation according to Kyle Scott at Crossing Broad:

Let me tell you. Allow me to refute that right now and say that there is absolutely nothing to that. There was absolutely nothing ever to that. I spoke to people in both organizations and both had the same reaction: “We have never spoken.” So I don’t know where that started, and maybe that would start things up now? I don’t think so, based on the reaction that I got from both organizations, but that was never in the works.

Again, I don’t want to say it’ll never happen, because who knows. Strange things happen. But I’m just telling you there was absolutely nothing to that as of right now. I don’t expect there to be anything to come of that. So that’s where we’re at at that. Is that definitive enough?
Ingram looks to be a key part of the 2017 Saints offense, much like he’s been in the past. For whatever reason, silliness continues to follow Ingram.
I have pointed this very thing out several times here at B&G. DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ ON THE MEDIA HACK SITES! 90% of the time what is floating out there is based solely on speculation by people that have no clue. That is then shared by others equally clueless and finally read by gullible forum fanatics and taken as fact.

:dunce:

WillSaints81 05-10-2017 05:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dafyaman (Post 749481)
Ummm, didn't Bush get traded the same year Ingram got drafted or do you not remember the infamous Bush tweet after Ingram got drafted.

After the Saints traded their way into the opening round and picked Alabama running back Mark Ingram, Reggie Bush tweeted, “It’s been fun New Orleans.”

How do you not know this as a Saints fan? Obviously Reggie thought he was being replaced and that he was. He was traded that same year to the Dolphins. He could not be the every down back the Saints wanted him to be so they essentially drafted Ingram to be that guy. I think they signed Sproles because Brees wanted him on the team because he knew Sproles would fit perfectly as a pass catching back.
Ingram is not the style of back Reggie was. How does Ingram replace Bush when Sproles is exactly what Reggie was, but only better. If Ingram replaced Reggie then they would not have gone after Sproles. I mean they already had Ivory and PT.

shawnkytonk 05-10-2017 05:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 749501)
I follow numerous football boards. Eagles fans continuously think their front office can somehow get players they want as fans by trading their castoffs. When Cooks was on the block, they thought Kendricks and a 5th would net Cooks somehow. They have some of the worst fans in the NFL.

AsylumGuido 05-10-2017 06:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 749529)
Ingram is not the style of back Reggie was. How does Ingram replace Bush when Sproles is exactly what Reggie was, but only better. If Ingram replaced Reggie then they would not have gone after Sproles. I mean they already had Ivory and PT.
WTF?

Seer1 05-11-2017 07:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 749533)
WTF?
No sympathy for you here Guido. You should know better by now...

WillMacKenzie 05-11-2017 07:19 AM
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I feel like every topic, given enough time will eventually devolve into a discussion about Mark Ingram, kind of like every argument eventually has a mention of Hitler

vpheughan 05-11-2017 08:28 AM
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I read about Ingram and Hitler in a post once.

st thomas 05-11-2017 09:30 AM
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if the if offer will ever come, payton will kill it payton and ingram will live in infamy notttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt! give up something we need and all love is ditched,

jnormand 05-11-2017 11:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 749555)
I read about Ingram and Hitler in a post once.
Yeah I remember reading somewhere that Ingram, even though he wasn't born yet, is entirely responsible for Hitler's rise to power.

And from what I heard, Ingram is also responsible for Hurricane Katrina and other natural disasters as well as a future apocalypse.

vpheughan 05-11-2017 11:25 AM
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Wow! I just read that too!!

It's on the Internet!! It HAS to be TRUE!!

"Bonjour"

ScottF 05-11-2017 12:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 749555)
I read about Ingram and Hitler in a post once.
I think Ingram will make the Saints great again

K Major 05-11-2017 01:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 749578)
I think Ingram will make the Saints great again
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SmashMouth 05-11-2017 02:18 PM
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hagan714 05-11-2017 07:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 749416)
Who in particular is on your radar @ center? Are you not sold on Jack Allen?

Frank Ragnow C/OG,Arkansas 6052 319 5.14 #72 Sr

Pro Football Focus selected him as the best offensive lineman in the country.

three-year starter

A solid first-year starter at right guard in 2015 as a sophomore in which he allowed 2 sacks over his 13 starts, Ragnow made the move to center for his junior season in 2016 and has impressed with his play, out with a bad outing against Alabama under tough personal circumstances. Larger than many at the center position at 6ft 5, 312 lbs, he offers both length and strength to hold up against physical interior defensive linemen. The progress in year two as a starter has been very positive, playing with better leverage and setting a more effective base to hold his position. The aggressive drive blocking always looked a strength of his game and that continues to stand out. It’s not been the best year for Arkansas, and the O-line that is normal a staple of Brett Bielema football hasn’t been the same this season, but Ragnow is an NFL starter in waiting, and may well chose not to stick around on an average team when he looks ready now.
https://realsport101.com/news/sports...-watch-week-13

Guard/center

1. Billy Price, Ohio State (6-3, 315, 5.19)

2. Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame* (6-5, 325, 5.23)

3. Martez Ivey, Florida* (6-5, 305, 5.04)

4. Mason Cole, Michigan (6-5, 305, 5.06)

5. Braden Smith, Auburn (6-5, 300, 5.08)

Just missed: Cody O'Connell (Washington State), Tyrone Crowder (Clemson), Hunter Bivin (Notre Dame), Beau Benzschawel (Wisconsin), Will Clapp (LSU), Maea Teuhema (LSU), Ross Pierschbacher (Alabama), Frank Ragnow (Arkansas), Michael Deiter (Wisconsin), Alec Eberle (Florida State), Scott Quessenberry, UCLA
http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2...6521493639786/

Seer1 05-11-2017 10:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 749612)
Frank Ragnow C/OG,Arkansas 6052 319 5.14 #72 Sr

Pro Football Focus selected him as the best offensive lineman in the country.

three-year starter

A solid first-year starter at right guard in 2015 as a sophomore in which he allowed 2 sacks over his 13 starts, Ragnow made the move to center for his junior season in 2016 and has impressed with his play, out with a bad outing against Alabama under tough personal circumstances. Larger than many at the center position at 6ft 5, 312 lbs, he offers both length and strength to hold up against physical interior defensive linemen. The progress in year two as a starter has been very positive, playing with better leverage and setting a more effective base to hold his position. The aggressive drive blocking always looked a strength of his game and that continues to stand out. It’s not been the best year for Arkansas, and the O-line that is normal a staple of Brett Bielema football hasn’t been the same this season, but Ragnow is an NFL starter in waiting, and may well chose not to stick around on an average team when he looks ready now.
https://realsport101.com/news/sports...-watch-week-13

Guard/center

1. Billy Price, Ohio State (6-3, 315, 5.19)

2. Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame* (6-5, 325, 5.23)

3. Martez Ivey, Florida* (6-5, 305, 5.04)

4. Mason Cole, Michigan (6-5, 305, 5.06)

5. Braden Smith, Auburn (6-5, 300, 5.08)

Just missed: Cody O'Connell (Washington State), Tyrone Crowder (Clemson), Hunter Bivin (Notre Dame), Beau Benzschawel (Wisconsin), Will Clapp (LSU), Maea Teuhema (LSU), Ross Pierschbacher (Alabama), Frank Ragnow (Arkansas), Michael Deiter (Wisconsin), Alec Eberle (Florida State), Scott Quessenberry, UCLA
2018 NFL Draft: Predicting top players position by position - UPI.com
Man, you'd have to load the charter carefully with all that beef to keep from flippin' it.

foreverfan 05-12-2017 12:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 749612)
Frank Ragnow C/OG,Arkansas 6052 319 5.14 #72 Sr

Pro Football Focus selected him as the best offensive lineman in the country.

three-year starter

A solid first-year starter at right guard in 2015 as a sophomore in which he allowed 2 sacks over his 13 starts, Ragnow made the move to center for his junior season in 2016 and has impressed with his play, out with a bad outing against Alabama under tough personal circumstances. Larger than many at the center position at 6ft 5, 312 lbs, he offers both length and strength to hold up against physical interior defensive linemen. The progress in year two as a starter has been very positive, playing with better leverage and setting a more effective base to hold his position. The aggressive drive blocking always looked a strength of his game and that continues to stand out. It’s not been the best year for Arkansas, and the O-line that is normal a staple of Brett Bielema football hasn’t been the same this season, but Ragnow is an NFL starter in waiting, and may well chose not to stick around on an average team when he looks ready now.
https://realsport101.com/news/sports...-watch-week-13

Guard/center

1. Billy Price, Ohio State (6-3, 315, 5.19)

2. Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame* (6-5, 325, 5.23)

3. Martez Ivey, Florida* (6-5, 305, 5.04)

4. Mason Cole, Michigan (6-5, 305, 5.06)

5. Braden Smith, Auburn (6-5, 300, 5.08)

Just missed: Cody O'Connell (Washington State), Tyrone Crowder (Clemson), Hunter Bivin (Notre Dame), Beau Benzschawel (Wisconsin), Will Clapp (LSU), Maea Teuhema (LSU), Ross Pierschbacher (Alabama), Frank Ragnow (Arkansas), Michael Deiter (Wisconsin), Alec Eberle (Florida State), Scott Quessenberry, UCLA
http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2...6521493639786/
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 749583)
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Rugby Saint II 05-12-2017 12:41 PM
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I liked jack Allen last year but never heard anything about him. I believe he was on the roster last year so apparently he has talent we don't want to lose being poached from the PS. This years UDFA gem could be Cameron Tom. That is another position battle to watch at TC that should be interesting. I love watching the big boys getting around in the heat at camp so you can see who struggles the most early on.

jeanpierre 05-13-2017 02:27 PM
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RaginCajun83 05-13-2017 04:14 PM
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Good news

AsylumGuido 05-13-2017 04:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 749728)
So Ian Fullacrap was wrong? What!?


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