A truthful look at our WRs

baronm · 03-27-2005, 04:47 PM

Both lack size and hands and brains to do it.

sounds like our team in general.

Nathan Black is the MAN!!

who?

GumboBC · 03-27-2005, 04:52 PM

WhoDat --

Wasn\'t it you that argued in a previous thread that Joe Horn has put up probowl stats without much help from the other WRs? I\'m sure I\'m not imaging things ...

Notice that I only referred to actual production when it came to our WRs. Sure, Stallworth is probably one of the fastest, if not the fastest, WRs in the game. But, the fact of the matter is Stallworth hasn\'t performed as well as he should have. I think what he did in college has nothing to do with this discussion.

Really, WhoDat made my case for me. If you look at potential, then ... we have an elite group of receivers. If you look at actual production, we\'ve got an underacheiving group.

[Edited on 27/3/2005 by GumboBC]

FireVenturi · 03-27-2005, 11:21 PM

Kool, how many games did you go to? And this isn\'t to knock your facts, but just a question. How many games did anyone go to? I went to one, in Dallas, where AB happened to look terrible(I am sure it was a fluke though ) and he locked on to Horn in that game, to the tune of a red zone INT and an INT to Roy Williams who neber gets any. My pops owns season tickets and went to every game. Unbiased as they come, supports Brooks, then offers criticism when he does poorly. Before I could even mention my thoughts on this subject, he told me he and those around him noticed AB\'s lock onto Joe mentality. Now I don\'t know what lock on means to you, cause I was the one who posted the percentages, but lock on to me means if the offense is going well, the ball gets shared. But if there is any trouble, quick pass rush, blitz, whatever, the ball is going to Joe, no ifs ands or buts. Third down needed? The ball is going to Joe. Now, I am sorry if I am gonna take what I saw, and what someone who was at all home games saw.

But since the 28% figure which I found was put out there, do you know the next highest percentage thrown to on our team? I posted that too. It was Donte at 19%. For peyton Manning, Harrison got 28%, but Wayne got 23% and Stokley 20%. Shows an even distribution as the second guy and even the third guy are relatively close to the first guy. Same with Denver, same with Tennessee, same with the other teams I posted that seem to be missed. As a matter of fact, you will rarely find a team who throws it to their number one more than 30%, so the factor for lock on thus becomes how much is the second guy getting the ball, and the third. Not nearly as much as other teams. SO that to me is lock on. But, to each his own.

I went to all the home games and i thought Aaron went through his progressions pretty good....or as good to be expected when u have bout 1 second...i do agree he could go to Deuce more, but on most passing plays the Rb is the last progression. To put some accountability on Aaron it wouldn\'t hurt if he went threw his progressions faster. The reason he might seem locked on Joe is because the #1 Wr is the first option on most plays.

GoldenTomb · 03-28-2005, 03:47 AM

Kool, how many games did you go to? And this isn\'t to knock your facts, but just a question. How many games did anyone go to? I went to one, in Dallas, where AB happened to look terrible(I am sure it was a fluke though ) and he locked on to Horn in that game, to the tune of a red zone INT and an INT to Roy Williams who neber gets any. My pops owns season tickets and went to every game. Unbiased as they come, supports Brooks, then offers criticism when he does poorly. Before I could even mention my thoughts on this subject, he told me he and those around him noticed AB\'s lock onto Joe mentality. Now I don\'t know what lock on means to you, cause I was the one who posted the percentages, but lock on to me means if the offense is going well, the ball gets shared. But if there is any trouble, quick pass rush, blitz, whatever, the ball is going to Joe, no ifs ands or buts. Third down needed? The ball is going to Joe. Now, I am sorry if I am gonna take what I saw, and what someone who was at all home games saw.

But since the 28% figure which I found was put out there, do you know the next highest percentage thrown to on our team? I posted that too. It was Donte at 19%. For peyton Manning, Harrison got 28%, but Wayne got 23% and Stokley 20%. Shows an even distribution as the second guy and even the third guy are relatively close to the first guy. Same with Denver, same with Tennessee, same with the other teams I posted that seem to be missed. As a matter of fact, you will rarely find a team who throws it to their number one more than 30%, so the factor for lock on thus becomes how much is the second guy getting the ball, and the third. Not nearly as much as other teams. SO that to me is lock on. But, to each his own.

I went to all the home games and i thought Aaron went through his progressions pretty good....or as good to be expected when u have bout 1 second...i do agree he could go to Deuce more, but on most passing plays the Rb is the last progression. To put some accountability on Aaron it wouldn\'t hurt if he went threw his progressions faster. The reason he might seem locked on Joe is because the #1 Wr is the first option on most plays.

Hmmm...have you heard Aaron Brooks hold an interview? This is one guy who I doubt can properly check down as a QB in the NFL. People of average intelligence have trouble with it. I honestly think that AB is not mentally capable of playing the QB position efficiently in the NFL. He relies on his physical gifts, which he definitely has. He just seems to approach the game like he\'s playing in his backyard or something.

A QB who checks down and sees that no one is open throws it away. He doesn\'t try to do some ridiclous spin move or take a sack or fumble. And before you go and say the O-line didn\'t give him time, don\'t even try it. I\'ve been to games and seen him firsthand. 3 seconds is enough time for an NFL reciever to determine if anyone is open, even less in a West Coast offense.

The Saints have one of the most talented WR corps in the NFL....I agree, but of course Gumbo thinks that everyone else is wrong and he is right.

Just some more shifting of the blame going on here.

[Edited on 28/3/2005 by GoldenTomb]

03-27-2005, 04:47 PM	#21
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	A truthful look at our WRs Both lack size and hands and brains to do it. sounds like our team in general. Nathan Black is the MAN!! who?
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03-27-2005, 04:52 PM	#22
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	A truthful look at our WRs WhoDat -- Wasn\'t it you that argued in a previous thread that Joe Horn has put up probowl stats without much help from the other WRs? I\'m sure I\'m not imaging things ... Notice that I only referred to actual production when it came to our WRs. Sure, Stallworth is probably one of the fastest, if not the fastest, WRs in the game. But, the fact of the matter is Stallworth hasn\'t performed as well as he should have. I think what he did in college has nothing to do with this discussion. Really, WhoDat made my case for me. If you look at potential, then ... we have an elite group of receivers. If you look at actual production, we\'ve got an underacheiving group. [Edited on 27/3/2005 by GumboBC]
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03-27-2005, 11:21 PM	#23
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	A truthful look at our WRs Kool, how many games did you go to? And this isn\'t to knock your facts, but just a question. How many games did anyone go to? I went to one, in Dallas, where AB happened to look terrible(I am sure it was a fluke though ) and he locked on to Horn in that game, to the tune of a red zone INT and an INT to Roy Williams who neber gets any. My pops owns season tickets and went to every game. Unbiased as they come, supports Brooks, then offers criticism when he does poorly. Before I could even mention my thoughts on this subject, he told me he and those around him noticed AB\'s lock onto Joe mentality. Now I don\'t know what lock on means to you, cause I was the one who posted the percentages, but lock on to me means if the offense is going well, the ball gets shared. But if there is any trouble, quick pass rush, blitz, whatever, the ball is going to Joe, no ifs ands or buts. Third down needed? The ball is going to Joe. Now, I am sorry if I am gonna take what I saw, and what someone who was at all home games saw. But since the 28% figure which I found was put out there, do you know the next highest percentage thrown to on our team? I posted that too. It was Donte at 19%. For peyton Manning, Harrison got 28%, but Wayne got 23% and Stokley 20%. Shows an even distribution as the second guy and even the third guy are relatively close to the first guy. Same with Denver, same with Tennessee, same with the other teams I posted that seem to be missed. As a matter of fact, you will rarely find a team who throws it to their number one more than 30%, so the factor for lock on thus becomes how much is the second guy getting the ball, and the third. Not nearly as much as other teams. SO that to me is lock on. But, to each his own. I went to all the home games and i thought Aaron went through his progressions pretty good....or as good to be expected when u have bout 1 second...i do agree he could go to Deuce more, but on most passing plays the Rb is the last progression. To put some accountability on Aaron it wouldn\'t hurt if he went threw his progressions faster. The reason he might seem locked on Joe is because the #1 Wr is the first option on most plays.

03-28-2005, 03:47 AM	#24
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	A truthful look at our WRs Kool, how many games did you go to? And this isn\'t to knock your facts, but just a question. How many games did anyone go to? I went to one, in Dallas, where AB happened to look terrible(I am sure it was a fluke though ) and he locked on to Horn in that game, to the tune of a red zone INT and an INT to Roy Williams who neber gets any. My pops owns season tickets and went to every game. Unbiased as they come, supports Brooks, then offers criticism when he does poorly. Before I could even mention my thoughts on this subject, he told me he and those around him noticed AB\'s lock onto Joe mentality. Now I don\'t know what lock on means to you, cause I was the one who posted the percentages, but lock on to me means if the offense is going well, the ball gets shared. But if there is any trouble, quick pass rush, blitz, whatever, the ball is going to Joe, no ifs ands or buts. Third down needed? The ball is going to Joe. Now, I am sorry if I am gonna take what I saw, and what someone who was at all home games saw. But since the 28% figure which I found was put out there, do you know the next highest percentage thrown to on our team? I posted that too. It was Donte at 19%. For peyton Manning, Harrison got 28%, but Wayne got 23% and Stokley 20%. Shows an even distribution as the second guy and even the third guy are relatively close to the first guy. Same with Denver, same with Tennessee, same with the other teams I posted that seem to be missed. As a matter of fact, you will rarely find a team who throws it to their number one more than 30%, so the factor for lock on thus becomes how much is the second guy getting the ball, and the third. Not nearly as much as other teams. SO that to me is lock on. But, to each his own. I went to all the home games and i thought Aaron went through his progressions pretty good....or as good to be expected when u have bout 1 second...i do agree he could go to Deuce more, but on most passing plays the Rb is the last progression. To put some accountability on Aaron it wouldn\'t hurt if he went threw his progressions faster. The reason he might seem locked on Joe is because the #1 Wr is the first option on most plays. Hmmm...have you heard Aaron Brooks hold an interview? This is one guy who I doubt can properly check down as a QB in the NFL. People of average intelligence have trouble with it. I honestly think that AB is not mentally capable of playing the QB position efficiently in the NFL. He relies on his physical gifts, which he definitely has. He just seems to approach the game like he\'s playing in his backyard or something. A QB who checks down and sees that no one is open throws it away. He doesn\'t try to do some ridiclous spin move or take a sack or fumble. And before you go and say the O-line didn\'t give him time, don\'t even try it. I\'ve been to games and seen him firsthand. 3 seconds is enough time for an NFL reciever to determine if anyone is open, even less in a West Coast offense. The Saints have one of the most talented WR corps in the NFL....I agree, but of course Gumbo thinks that everyone else is wrong and he is right. Just some more shifting of the blame going on here. [Edited on 28/3/2005 by GoldenTomb]
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