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jeanpierre 05-29-2017 08:15 PM

Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Early prediction - See us keeping five (5) CBs with my money on Breaux, Lattimore, Williams, Crawley, and Moore...

...with tough outs for Harris, Swann, and Maulet...



SmashMouth 05-29-2017 09:14 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Thank God we did not trade for Butler.

K Major 05-29-2017 09:21 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTu2zMUIAAAOqZp.jpg

My money is on Lattimore (the kid in the picture trying to either block a FG or high five God) to solidify his draft selection in 2017. I just see play maker ability written all over him.

WillSaints81 05-30-2017 10:41 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
I would say three of them are talented, and only two could be reliable. It's too early to know with Moore and Crawley.

saintsfan1976 05-30-2017 11:31 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Shoot, Crawley played pretty well considering his path to the team.

ChrisXVI 05-30-2017 11:39 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
I gotta tell ya, I LOVE the combination of Breaux, Lattimore, Williams, Moore and Crawley. That's a really talented group!

AsylumGuido 05-30-2017 11:44 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 751166)
I gotta tell ya, I LOVE the combination of Breaux, Lattimore, Williams, Moore and Crawley. That's a really talented group!

And yet the writer of the click bait article about the Saints being on a quick decline based it partly upon the horrible secondary that not only includes those CB's but also a trio of very talented young safeties. Kind of makes you wonder if the guy has any clue about what he's throwing out there.

Hmm?

jeanpierre 05-30-2017 02:00 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Maulet figures to be a tough out; in the big scope, it's not a lot of money, but is does show the Saints were serious about signing him...


jeanpierre 05-30-2017 05:15 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 751163)
Shoot, Crawley played pretty well considering his path to the team.

Agree. Thought Crawley played exceptionally well...Kid didn't get enough respect for the job he did, especially under the circumstances...

Problem for the Saints D has been too much passer time (pass rush) and the Deep Safety (Byrd); rarely the CBs last season...

ScottF 05-30-2017 08:22 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
I really don't care who ends up on top, as long they earn it and aren't defaulted a starting job bc of injuries or poor play.

I dogged Crawley during training camp because he was really only an above-average college player, but he played well considering what was left around him. He needs a niche- holder, long-snapper, ST gunner...something to keep him on the 53

hagan714 05-31-2017 07:33 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
more DBs the better. now it is all up to the football gods to keep us healthy so we can see what we have.

jeanpierre 05-31-2017 08:10 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
The more I think about it though, I wouldn't be surprised if the Saints kept six (6) CBs considering recent attrition cost of what easily should have been a 10-6 season...

Gotta feeling that with the way the team recruited Maulet, they'll be looking for reasons for AM making this roster as well...

jeanpierre 05-31-2017 08:30 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Wouldn't be a bad group...

LCB (2) 40 - Delvin Breaux, 20 - Ken Crawley, 37 - Arthur Maulet (UDFA)

RCB (3) 26 - P.J. Williams, 34 - Marshon Lattimore (R1, P11), 24 - Sterling Moore

jeanpierre 05-31-2017 09:26 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Really starting to like this kid Maulet...


K Major 05-31-2017 10:28 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Maulet huh? A possible Malcolm Butler 2.0 (UDFA)?... let's see what he has in camp. Swann and Harris are clearly on the bubble in 2017.

Rugby Saint II 05-31-2017 01:56 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Most likely the starters will be whoever can crawl out of the hot tub and suit up.

ChrisXVI 05-31-2017 03:39 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
It makes me realize how bad we had it last year. We had a logjam at CB this time last year too. Can you imagine if by week 3 this season our starters are Arthur Maulet and some guy not even on the team yet?!

AllSaints 05-31-2017 05:57 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
It's nice to actually have a CB coach Aaron Glenn... for what he had to work with last season he did a great job coaching them up.... if ... and that's a big if my friends we can stay healthy we will see a huge improvement of our CB play... The whole defense at that... we have new coaches that I think people underestimate how huge that is.... it's new drills new ideas new atmosphere brought into the Defense room ! It's exciting ! Be excited fans !!!!

dizzle88 05-31-2017 06:10 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Crawley had a chance to win the NY game for us, he was in perfect position and made an awful attempt, all he had to do was knock it down. Not a fan personally.

K Major 05-31-2017 07:53 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 751360)
Crawley had a chance to win the NY game for us, he was in perfect position and made an awful attempt, all he had to do was knock it down. Not a fan personally.

I can't put that L on a UDFA Crawley ... we were already snake bit at corner by game 2. Who else was going to play? He did better than most. The loss wasn't on him. The defense was actually pretty good as a unit.


Re visit that game and pay attention to Fleener. He was bad ... really, bad :puke:.

AsylumGuido 05-31-2017 08:14 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 751360)
Crawley had a chance to win the NY game for us, he was in perfect position and made an awful attempt, all he had to do was knock it down. Not a fan personally.

Ever heard of getting over it? Dwelling on the negative incident in the past can have bad consequences one's ongoing health ... mentally and physically.

Look ahead! Don't worry! Be happy! :clown:

jeanpierre 05-31-2017 10:16 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 751360)
Crawley had a chance to win the NY game for us, he was in perfect position and made an awful attempt, all he had to do was knock it down. Not a fan personally.

Dizz, remind us again where he was drafted and how many games he had started in the NFL at that point?

He was an absolute theft for us in the UDFA Rookie Market; and, because of injuries, he got invaluable playing time...

And, he got better! Know it's frustrating when you see those plays, I feel ya, but he was a rookie man, in his second game, which he hadn't even started...

Not banging on you, but asking for some perspective with the lad...

AsylumGuido 06-01-2017 06:50 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 751383)
Dizz, remind us again where he was drafted and how many games he had started in the NFL at that point?

He was an absolute theft for us in the UDFA Rookie Market; and, because of injuries, he got invaluable playing time...

And, he got better! Know it's frustrating when you see those plays, I feel ya, but he was a rookie man, in his second game, which he hadn't even started...

Not banging on you, but asking for some perspective with the lad...

Diz sometimes has a problem moving on from the past. ;-)

dizzle88 06-01-2017 07:13 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 751383)
Dizz, remind us again where he was drafted and how many games he had started in the NFL at that point?

He was an absolute theft for us in the UDFA Rookie Market; and, because of injuries, he got invaluable playing time...

And, he got better! Know it's frustrating when you see those plays, I feel ya, but he was a rookie man, in his second game, which he hadn't even started...

Not banging on you, but asking for some perspective with the lad...

I get what your saying and it's probably not all on him, all I can think at the minute is he picked off Brees about 4 times in training camp and then couldn't make the play when it mattered. But then again, even Breaux sucked last year. Let's hope for some improvement this year.

K Major 06-01-2017 08:07 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 751398)
But then again, even Breaux sucked last year. Let's hope for some improvement this year.

Hoping for a healthy Breaux this season. He played poorly after coming back from the injury.

jeanpierre 07-03-2017 10:57 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
This is what I was talking about - young and hungry - like Clubber Lang going into the first bout with Rocky - this is what you want on defense...


darstep 07-04-2017 06:38 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
None of it matters if nothing is happening up front.
If we are asking these guys to still cover after a double-move then it's all mute.
If they have to bang every week in run support we will be back to calling in reserves by week 5.
I'm still waiting for us to find ONE good shutdown corner who can take 1/2 the field away (and pay him).
That would make things SO much easier for everyone else.
The front 7 can make these guys look really good if they are manning up.
But if not, minor weaknesses that get exposed are magnified and can look pretty bad.
I would be happy actually seeing our guys turn and make a play on the ball.
Cat fighting after the ball whizzes past your ear hole is little league stuff.
Kind of pisses me off when I see it at the NFL level.
I'm hoping for some improved play up front to help these guys out.
5'-10", 5'-11", 6'-0" and 6'-1" need all the help they can get.

jeanpierre 07-04-2017 08:38 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Realise, this will be a very, very young secondary that could potentially start two (2) rookies in CB Marshon Lattimore and FS Marcus Williams; one (1) sophomore in SS Vonn Bell; one (1) third season CB in Delvin Breaux; and then the hybrid back in Kenny Vaccaro is in his fifth season as the veteran of the group...

Expect ebbs and flow. Too minimize exposing this young defense, the rotation of the front seven will be paramount. But we should also start to see Pass Defense plays made like we expected when we backed the truck up for Jairus Byrd...

halloween 65 07-04-2017 12:41 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 754234)
Realise, this will be a very, very young secondary that could potentially start two (2) rookies in CB Marshon Lattimore and FS Marcus Williams; one (1) sophomore in SS Vonn Bell; one (1) third season CB in Delvin Breaux; and then the hybrid back in Kenny Vaccaro is in his fifth season as the veteran of the group...

Expect ebbs and flow. Too minimize exposing this young defense, the rotation of the front seven will be paramount. But we should also start to see Pass Defense plays made like we expected when we backed the truck up for Jairus Byrd...

When Ireland was in Miami he put a good secondary together. It took 2 years but went well. Our secondary should start looking good by mid-season and should look really good next season. I'm not sold on Vaccarro. Nothing special!!

|Mitch| 07-04-2017 02:09 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Here we go:


jeanpierre 07-04-2017 02:57 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 754257)
When Ireland was in Miami he put a good secondary together. It took 2 years but went well. Our secondary should start looking good by mid-season and should look really good next season. I'm not sold on Vaccarro. Nothing special!!

I have a feeling that Vacarro is going to be like Ingram, in that it will take five years for Vaccaro to finally have an impact and the Saints FO will have to extend him to recoup the investment...

Was really excited when we replaced Harper at SS thinking we now had someone who could not only move into the box and stuff the run and blitz the passer but wouldn't be a liability in pass coverage like Harper...And Vaccaro hasn't then that much better in coverage...

If I'm the Saints, I wait and see what he does this season, then pull the trigger...

WillSaints81 07-04-2017 06:17 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 751220)
Agree. Thought Crawley played exceptionally well...Kid didn't get enough respect for the job he did, especially under the circumstances...

Problem for the Saints D has been too much passer time (pass rush) and the Deep Safety (Byrd); rarely the CBs last season...

Unfortunately our FO did not think so. Cam Jordan even said he wanted the saints to draft two corners after the season.

hagan714 07-05-2017 06:52 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Better question?

who will play at least 16 games?

QBREES9 07-05-2017 07:00 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
I hope you find someone ISLAND. Fill in the blank.

CheramieIII 07-05-2017 07:03 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
I think all of them will emerge since their will not be pressure on anyone of them to handle all of it by themselves!

K Major 07-05-2017 09:46 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 754265)
I have a feeling that Vacarro is going to be like Ingram, in that it will take five years for Vaccaro to finally have an impact and the Saints FO will have to extend him to recoup the investment...

I'm on the fence with this one. KV is a difficult player for me to evaluate objectively & if you look back over the last few seasons, he hasn't had a boatload of talent surrounding him on D ... a couple of those defenses were flat out terrible.

Edit - didn't mean to derail/high jack the OP's thread with KV talk.

K Major 07-05-2017 10:03 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Can't wait to see this cat @ t/c (Marcus Williams). I really think he can become the next great center fielder at the FS position.

http://image.nola.com/home/nola-medi...504-mmmain.jpg

Seer1 07-05-2017 10:35 AM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 754308)
I'm on the fence with this one. KV is a difficult player for me to evaluate objectively & if you look back over the last few seasons, he hasn't had a boatload of talent surrounding him on D ... a couple of those defenses were flat out terrible.

Edit - didn't mean to derail/high jack the OP's thread with KV talk.

Plus he's had to try to learn to tackle using some other part of his body than his head...

Cruize 07-05-2017 12:54 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Lattimore, Breaux, Williams, Moore, and Maulet. Crawley if one of those goes down.

K Major 07-05-2017 02:08 PM

Re: Who will emerge in Saints' logjam of talented cornerbacks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 754324)
Lattimore, Breaux, Williams, Moore, and Maulet. Crawley if one of those goes down.

Maulet is the one player that could make Swann and/or Harris expendable. I know it's super early but his (Maulet) name came up more than a few times during OTA's. Maybe we have a potential Jabari Greer 2.0 (UDFA) ...

Coach Aaron Glenn definitely has some talent to work with --> Can't wait !


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