Originally Posted by K Major (Post 751171)

The article missed out on two important phases in wins and losses ...

Health and Coaching.

We have also lacked depth over the years ... going into camp, I don't see this as an issue. No McMahon, Vitt or Johnson either. Last year Dennis showed improvement (second half adjustments) + we've added talent across the board. I'm never one for excuses but damn, we were wiped out defensively by week 5 & guys in the secondary were falling like logs.

For me, the off season is a time for optimism. Let's just hope that injuries are somewhat kind to us in 2017. My X factor coach is Nolan. :censored: what YardBarker says. Tough division no doubt, but ST will improve (coaching), offensive will continue to be explosive and #9 is still under center. Bring it.

This is our time fellas ... our time.

When does training camp start again ? ... ;)

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 751173)

Lmao!!! **** man, they shouldn't even field a team this year right? What's the point of trying?! I mean, this article says the Saints are circling the drain. That means they are right? I guess I might as well pack up my balls and leave. Lol.

Forecast says it's gonna rain tomorrow. Might as well prepare for a flood just in case!

I consider myself a realist, if there is such a thing. But the season hasn't even started for hells sake. While I agree that it's up to this team to improve and change people's opinions and expectations about what's in store for the future, I'm gonna let them play a snap first before throwing them to the gators.

I can't stop laughing!

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 751155)

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 751159)

I have no words...

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 751189)

At the end of the day it is up to the team to change that perception. Right now we are stuck in sub-average mediocrity. There are some positives about this team, but it is up to them to win.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 751198)

That perception has already been changed for me. As I see it, we were previously in sub-average mediocrity. Perception is individually based. Every person has their unique way of looking at things. Some of us choose to embrace the positive. Others choose to wallow in negativity. And others are somewhere in between.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 751233)

It is not about embracing positive or negative. It is about giving as realistic an opinion as you can with the data you have. The whole concept of ignoring the negative and only focusing on the positive is actually beginning to show that nothing improves. I don't feel like digging out the articles, but you should search around a bit. I am just being honest with what I have to look at. We have a chance at the playoffs this year. lot is going to hinge on our dline and run game, IMHO

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 751261)

Oh, believe me. I have read every single article. Many of the "authors" are too lazy to research themselves. Those are the ones that base their view upon what happened in the past without recognizing that those issues, and others they were not even aware of, have been addressed. If absolutely nothing had changed from the past I could understand your concern. But, that isn't the case. I honestly feel there have been a large number of positive moves made this off-season and that makes me extremely optimistic for 2017.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 751312)

If you ever notice when I write on here I always talk about possible this or possible that. I don't pretend things are absolute. You consistently talk as if things are a forgone conclusion. The problem is no one knows that right now. Even the coaching staff doesn't know. There is certainly potential, but until a down is actually played we can't be certain of a thing. YOu keep saying this has been addressed, that has been addressed. There was an attempt to address things, but we have no idea how any of these moves will pan out. These guys have even put a pad on yet.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 751321)

Exactly! And that the whole reason I am positive and excited about the potential. And the front office has absolutely addressed the issues, without a doubt. I choose to believe those moves will be successful. That's being positive.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 751468)

So then this year you're predicting a super bowl appearance.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 751483)

I wouldn't be shocked. Nobody could predict that, but I honestly feel they could make it there. But, that is the difference between being positive and ... not.
:bng:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 751557)

You were positive last year, the year before, etc, and you were wrong. There is a difference between positive and unrealistic. You're predictions sometimes are quite unrealistic

If you're positive, put your money where your mouth is and state you expect them to make the SB

Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 751572)

YARDBARKER, FAIL.

Drew Brees may want to play into his mid 40s. That’s great in theory, but father time pretty much catches up with everyone. At 38 years old and coming off the fifth 5,000-yard passing performance of his career, Brees is still playing at a high level. That’s really not the issue here. Instead, New Orleans has failed in every way to surround him with a roster capable of contending in the NFC.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 751595)

I expect them to make the Super Bowl every year. What is wrong with that?

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 751595)

I am a fan of the NFL in general and a fan of the Saints in particular because I enjoy being entertained. Trying to look for negatives is counterproductive to being entertained. What does a person gain from looking at anything but the best in a situation pertaining to a game that is played to entertain the viewing public?

Seriously.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 751598)

Nothing, but where you "expect" I hope and evaluate realistically where the team is at. We are definitely more talented right now and headed in the right direction. Sometimes (and this my opin of 06) it is more important that you win than anything else. Winning somehow breeds winning, and losing somehow does the same thing. So I'd like to see us win a few games early instead of this 0-2 or 0-4 **** SP and the team has provided recently.




You gain being realistic, if all you do is polish **** sandwiches all day people will keep handing you a **** sandwich. But if you evaluate the **** sandwich and see how you can improve it maybe in a few years you're eating an angus burger. Like I said, just putting a positive spin on everything does nothing, absolutely nothing. There is a slow movement to stop that because companies are finding nothing is improving and everyone is scared to face the difficulties the company faces. Complaining is different than being honest. I am just not going to run around and be full of crap because it is positive and I can pretend I live at willy wonkas house and my **** sandwich is good.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 751601)

If you were the GM of the team your logic may be correct. But, just like me, you are nothing but a fan and have no ability to ever affect the success of the team.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 751601)

A fan can analyse day and night and it will never change anything. While you may only have a **** sandwich, I have that angus burger already because I glean as much positive entertainment value out of the game as I possibly can.
Oh that just means you accept losing and eat it and enjoy, that sucks bro.

NOT putting a positive spin on everything as a fan does nothing, absolutely nothing. Since being critical, or negative, as a fan has no more of an impact on the final outcome than being positive, I choose the healthier approach of positive thinking.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 751601)

You are only spinning your wheels, pissing into the wind, et cetera, thinking that you can ever change your **** sandwich into anything else if you feel you truly have a **** sandwich.:D

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 751615)

Not true. Coaches are fired due to fans, lose enough and lose your job.



Being honest, huge difference, and again coaches lose their job when the fan gets loud enough.




Let's just pretend that as a fan I have no way to change anything, completely wrong (it may be indirect), but sure I will play, doesn't mean I need to eat that **** sandwich with you and pretend I am eating an angus burger. This isn't shallow hal and we're ****ing fatties pretending they're hott, lmao. I mean by all means enjoy yourself while you do.



Sean been losing a lot lately and a whole ton of people have been losing their job. They call that recognizing your ass is going soon too if you keep on losing, and it is :) I am healthier than you boss so being critical is completely acceptable and beneficial.

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 751631)

Obviously the Browns and Patriots are the current exceptions. I suspect in 5 years or so that will also change.