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dizzle88 06-16-2017 08:39 PM

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This is tiring, every offseason it's the same injury crap.

Doesn't Ramcyzk have an lingering injury also?

spkb25 06-16-2017 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 752851)
This is tiring, every offseason it's the same injury crap.

Doesn't Ramcyzk have an lingering injury also?

I just know this is a blessing in disguise per guido...makes sense. Losing starters now equals a good thing.


Doesn't matter about his injuries. If he goes down we are getting better

WillSaints81 06-17-2017 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 752805)
Shoot me in the head.

Why are you shocked? Honestly, we have already been playing without him that's why getting that ot in first round was all the more important. This really is nothing new to me.

WillSaints81 06-17-2017 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 752815)
Just Say No to Olympic Lifts, at Least for NFL Players

Probably not popular, but I'm coming around to the opinion that Sean Payton is in some way responsible for the injury plague.

I blame his obsession with crossfit....I want fat Payton back

Everything about him off the field is a issue.

Cruize 06-17-2017 06:12 AM

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Peat - Turner - Kelemete - Warford - Strief. Let Ramczyk be the swing guy at tackle.

jeanpierre 06-17-2017 06:43 AM

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Losing Armstead is not as big a deal as losing Unger; last season Peat played his natural position and the offense was still among the elite...

In fact, Peat would've graded better had he been able to practice all week at Left Tackle and not have dealt with the soap opera...

Now that Armstead is not an option, Saints can finally place former first rounder Peat in his natural position and Kelemete at Left Guard...

This'll be a good thing especially if this unit can play at their positions throughout training camp only missing Unger...

Only concerns now are that Josh LeRibeus can captain and call the blocking schemes while Unger recovers from a delayed surgery...

Just wished Loomis would've closed the deal with Kevin Zeitler as I'm leary of Mr. Mass & Ass 2017 and we'd drafted Indiana's Dan Feeney...

WillSaints81 06-17-2017 08:38 AM

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Mass and what? Is that the coach's motto for the team?

neugey 06-17-2017 09:00 AM

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See, I can't move my family of 4 to a new house without a Saints player incurring a long-term injury. This team and I are spiritually linked.

vpheughan 06-17-2017 10:19 AM

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"Why yes I am a Genius, just ask me!"

I listen to Rick Venturi on the radio here in Indy. He can tell you what the Colts need to do to win, how to stop the other team ect. ect. ect. Yet when he's been a real coach with a team what happened? As an NFL HC he is 2 - 19. He talks the talk but talk is cheap!

Seer1 06-17-2017 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 752871)
See, I can't move my family of 4 to a new house without a Saints player incurring a long-term injury. This team and I are spiritually linked.

Well quit frickin' movin' Neugey!

ChrisXVI 06-17-2017 02:23 PM

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If Strief is to be believed, and why wouldn't he be, Peat is going to be staying at LG. Interesting.

Danno 06-17-2017 04:13 PM

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Ryan Clady sounds like a decent stop-gap.

I'd imagine we already have a list of 10 or so veteran LT's that could possibly be cut before the season starts.

Danno 06-17-2017 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 752893)
https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/statu...54691612233729

If Strief is to be believed, and why wouldn't he be, Peat is going to be staying at LG. Interesting.

From reports earlier this week Peat has improved light years with his technique and coaches and players have commented that he's doing several things smoothly that he struggled with last year.

Quote:

Settling into a spot, 100 percent, has changed his approach," right tackle Zach Strief said. "I think that he has really detailed his stuff.

"I would say in the last week we've seen Peat do things that we've been trying to get him to do for two years, and then you see it and you see it again and then you see it again. And its like, OK, he's got it."

"The progression is definitely noticeable," Unger said of Peat.

"We know he feels more comfortable on the left side of the ball, and I think any time you're getting multiple reps at the same position, I think you begin to build some cohesiveness with your group," Payton said.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...eat_guard.html



We may want to keep him at 1 spot, especially since he seems to be mastering it now.

ChrisXVI 06-17-2017 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 752895)
From reports earlier this week Peat has improved light years with his technique and coaches and players have commented that he's doing several things smoothly that he struggled with last year.





We may want to keep him at 1 spot, especially since he seems to be mastering it now.

Bingo, and like I said in an earlier post... If we slide Peat over to LT then we weaken the interior of the O-Line and that's the pressure that Drew struggles with the most.

saintsfan1976 06-17-2017 11:10 PM

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My insider tells me Armstead will be back in September.

The Dude 06-17-2017 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 752899)
Bingo, and like I said in an earlier post... If we slide Peat over to LT then we weaken the interior of the O-Line and that's the pressure that Drew struggles with the most.

Yea I would say our guard positions are more important than our left and right guard positions the way Drew steps up in the pocket.

SmashMouth 06-18-2017 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 752795)
Why? Ramczyk is a LT tackle.

And Peat is not? :p

spkb25 06-18-2017 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 752895)
From reports earlier this week Peat has improved light years with his technique and coaches and players have commented that he's doing several things smoothly that he struggled with last year.





We may want to keep him at 1 spot, especially since he seems to be mastering it now.

Barnes has apparently looked better since dropping weight. Maybe he can hold it down. Be nice if the rookie could get er done. Then we'd be cooking with some serious gas

K Major 06-18-2017 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 752905)
Yea I would say our guard positions are more important than our left and right guard positions the way Drew steps up in the pocket.

The elite pass rushers in the NFL aren't coming up the middle, they are coming off the edge.

jnormand 06-18-2017 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 752905)
Yea I would say our guard positions are more important than our left and right guard positions the way Drew steps up in the pocket.

Wait..... what?

The Dude 06-18-2017 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 752929)
Wait..... what?

lol I meant guards not L and R tackle. If I had my choice of where to elite players go I would want them at guard. The LT still needs to be on point, not saying that position doesn't need attention.

The Dude 06-18-2017 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 752798)
Several starters out for a while. What are these guys doing to suffer these critical injuries? Not normal.

Apparently it was just a freak thing. He was working with tackling dummies and fell in an awquard position on a mat.
I have had 3 surgeries to repair labrum and rotator cuff. It sucks. It was ten years ago and I still feel it sometimes. They literally had to drill a button into my bone and loop it around it.

Bright side is maybe this will be it. As bad as injuries have been the past several years odds say we are due for a break.

On a side note I have torn a few labia in my lifetime.

K Major 06-18-2017 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 752931)
lol I meant guards not L and R tackle. If I had my choice of where to elite players go I would want them at guard. The LT still needs to be on point, not saying that position doesn't need attention.

I'd choose the latter (tackle). Circle back to last season. When Armstead was injured, Peat moved from GUARD to LEFT TACKLE. Coach Roushar plugged in someone else to play G. Again, the nasty edge rushers in the NFL are coming off the edge, not up the middle.

I think Peat will see a lot of time at tackle to protect #9's blind side.

K Major 06-18-2017 12:22 PM

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Saints' rookie Ryan Ramczyk to work out with Zach Strief before training camp | NOLA.com

ScottF 06-18-2017 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 752894)
Ryan Clady sounds like a decent stop-gap.

I'd imagine we already have a list of 10 or so veteran LT's that could possibly be cut before the season starts.

31, but we only need him for the year
Austin Pasztor is an option as well. Maybe Jake Long will get off the couch for the opportunity to block for a couple hall of famers

ChrisXVI 06-18-2017 05:54 PM

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If it's about getting the best players on the field you leave Peat at LG and Ramczyk plays LT. Here's a guy talented enough to be a first round pick and what good would it do us leaving him on the bench now that we have a hole on the O-Line? If he wasn't capable he wouldn't be here.

I understand the hesitation though. It's scary having a rookie protecting Drew's blindside, but an O-Line of Ramczyk-Peat-Unger-Warford-Strief can still give us one of the best lines in the league.

jeanpierre 06-18-2017 06:52 PM

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Main thing will be to get Unger back healthy, strong at Center...

We've got three LT on the roster in Armstead, Peat, and Ramcyzk...

Armstead is good, when healthy, but when was he last healthy?

I'd worry more about the interior, Center, than LT if I'm a Saints fan...

K Major 06-18-2017 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 752958)
If it's about getting the best players on the field you leave Peat at LG and Ramczyk plays LT. Here's a guy talented enough to be a first round pick and what good would it do us leaving him on the bench now that we have a hole on the O-Line? If he wasn't capable he wouldn't be here.

Maybe, just maybe Ramczyk balls out as a rookie ... shades of Carl Nicks 2.0.

ChrisXVI 06-18-2017 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 752964)
Maybe, just maybe Ramczyk balls out as a rookie ... shades of Carl Nicks 2.0.

I saw someone say this over on Reddit:

"I remember when we lost our star LT before the 2009 season too."

That's the kind of optimism I'm sticking with too for now otherwise it'll be a long summer!

AsylumGuido 06-18-2017 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 752966)
I saw someone say this over on Reddit:

"I remember when we lost our star LT before the 2009 season too."

That's the kind of optimism I'm sticking with too for now otherwise it'll be a long summer!

Much better than always expecting doom and gloom like others. Bravo!

darksoul35 06-19-2017 07:13 AM

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I say go with the rook at LT and take our lumps early. Let him get some experience and when Armstead does come back then we have a monster o line. This does hurt but it can turn in to something positive. Im more concerned about the DT issue.

K Major 06-19-2017 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 752961)
Armstead is good, when healthy, but when was he last healthy?

Armstead's body is either breaking down or he isn't training properly.

AsylumGuido 06-19-2017 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 752986)
Armstead's body is either breaking down or he isn't training properly.

This labrum injury really didn't have anything to do with either. It was a freak accident. From what I understand he slipped on a mat and landed directly on a shoulder. That would cause the ball to grind into the joint and tear the labrum. If he would have been in pads they would have cushioned the impact and would would have most likely been fine. The world's healthiest athlete would have fared any better in that scenario. It was just bum luck with a degree of blame belonging, once again, to the CBA which prohibited practicing in pads until later.

K Major 06-19-2017 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 752988)
This labrum injury really didn't have anything to do with either. It was a freak accident. From what I understand he slipped on a mat and landed directly on a shoulder. That would cause the ball to grind into the joint and tear the labrum. If he would have been in pads they would have cushioned the impact and would would have most likely been fine. The world's healthiest athlete would have fared any better in that scenario. It was just bum luck with a degree of blame belonging, once again, to the CBA which prohibited practicing in pads until later.

We all get the "freak" injuries however this is becoming a theme for Armstead. The big fella simply can't stay healthy. As JP stated earlier, when is he ever 100%?

ChrisXVI 06-19-2017 09:23 AM

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Let's also not forget that once the shoulder heals up there's still the mysterious knee issue that he's been battling for 3 years.

K Major 06-19-2017 09:43 AM

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Immediate impact of rookie Ryan Ramczyk will be critical to Saints 2017 offensive success | The Saints Nation

AsylumGuido 06-19-2017 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 752993)
Let's also not forget that once the shoulder heals up there's still the mysterious knee issue that he's been battling for 3 years.

I'm not discounting the knee. I'm just saying that the latest injury was unique and totally unrelated to any chronic issue. It could have happened to a player with no injury history at all.

jeanpierre 06-19-2017 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753004)
I'm not discounting the knee. I'm just saying that the latest injury was unique and totally unrelated to any chronic issue. It could have happened to a player with no injury history at all.

True.

Tyeler Davison torn his labrum during a game...

And the torn labrum for Davis Tull was done Pre-Draft...

Armstead's injury came during a bag drill of all things -

Zach Strief: Terron Armstead tore labrum in bag drill | ProFootballTalk

But Chris is right in that there's more going on with T.A.'s knee than we know, and it's chronic and problematic...

...and scary conditions like what Vilma had (arthritis) is creeping into the discussion threads...

Rugby Saint II 06-22-2017 05:38 PM

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I swear to God that we are the unluckiest team in the league! We are truly snake bit.

SmashMouth 06-22-2017 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 753321)
I swear to God that we are the unluckiest team in the league! We are truly snake bit.

https://media.giphy.com/media/KAjzlpbCKyj9S/giphy.gif

Do we need new strength and conditioning trainers?


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