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SmashMouth 06-26-2017 02:10 PM

Cam Jordan: Saints are ready to win Super Bowl now
 
Saints quarterback Drew Brees raised eyebrows when he told PFT Live in March that his team is “very close” to getting back to the Super Bowl. One of his teammates has now taken the next step.

“We’re building a team to win a Super Bowl,” defensive end Cam Jordan tells Greg Bishop of SI.com, who guest-wrote Peter King’s Monday Morning Quarterback column this week. “We’re not building for the future. It’s hard not to believe in our team. We’re ready to win it now.”

So how much of that is the glass-half-full optimism/delusion that litters the league in June, and how much of it is real? The Saints have put together three straight 7-9 seasons despite having an abysmal defense. If the defense improves a little, they get to the playoffs. If the defense improves a lot, they’ll be partying like it’s 2009, with the kind of record that forces the road to Minnesota through Louisiana.

The team continues to be led by a 38-year-old quarterback whose teammates still believe in him. Zealously.

“Is there a better quarterback?” Jordan said regarding Brees. “You tell me how many 5,000-yard seasons have been produced in NFL history.”

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CharityMike 06-26-2017 03:53 PM

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LOL..the hate is strong in the comment section.

AsylumGuido 06-26-2017 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 753585)
LOL..the hate is strong in the comment section.

A bunch of ignorant idiots that know nothing about the Saints and their obvious improvement over the off-season.

halloween 65 06-26-2017 09:32 PM

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Don't talk, show them.

foreverfan 06-26-2017 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753595)
A bunch of ignorant idiots that know nothing about the Saints and their obvious improvement over the off-season.



AsylumGuido 06-27-2017 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 753629)
Don't talk, show them.

When asked a question in an interview the object is to give an answer. That requires speech ... also known as talk. The time to show isn't until the evening of September 11th.

halloween 65 06-27-2017 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753653)
When asked a question in an interview the object is to give an answer. That requires speech ... also known as talk. The time to show isn't until the evening of September 11th.

Talks been cheap for our D for quite a few years. Action has also. Sept, 11th they better prove they can play better than they talk.

K Major 06-27-2017 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 753670)
Talks been cheap for our D for quite a few years. Action has also. Sept, 11th they better prove they can play better than they talk.

Both Cam and Drew have been asked these specific questions during interviews. What exactly did you want them to say? Nothing?

AsylumGuido 06-27-2017 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 753670)
Talks been cheap for our D for quite a few years. Action has also. Sept, 11th they better prove they can play better than they talk.

Do you deny that there have been major changes to improve the defense this off-season? Talk may be cheap to you, but this is a drastically different defense than has been fielded for the last few years. Even the players are aware of that fact and they seem to be more excited than they have been over the last few years.

AsylumGuido 06-27-2017 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 753675)
Both Cam and Drew have been asked these specific questions during interviews. What exactly did you want them to say? Nothing?

Exactly. Are they supposed to dwell on former defenses and failures or look optimistically toward the upcoming season? I would damn sure rather my team's players be positive. To be otherwise dooms one to be a loser.

halloween 65 06-27-2017 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753680)
Do you deny that there have been major changes to improve the defense this off-season? Talk may be cheap to you, but this is a drastically different defense than has been fielded for the last few years. Even the players are aware of that fact and they seem to be more excited than they have been over the last few years.

Well, we'll see? Every NFL D changes, draft, FA, veterans return. Still have to know what to do with what you have. So far under Allen nothing has changed, 7-9 seasons because of the D. Any improvement would be better than what we have had.

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 753729)
Well, we'll see? Every NFL D changes, draft, FA, veterans return. Still have to know what to do with what you have. So far under Allen nothing has changed, 7-9 seasons because of the D. Any improvement would be better than what we have had.

I listened to an interview Mike Triplett yesterday on NFL Radio. I feel he is far and away the most knowledgeable writer when it come to the Saints. When asked about the 7-9 seasons he said that while the records were the same the way they were arrived at were completely different. He said the first year the Saints just couldn't hold on. He said they were in every game but couldn't hold on. That was all on the performance of the defense. I put that on Ryan's scheme.

He said the next year was all about a rebuild. A turnover from veteran players to youth. At this point he mentioned having five different DC's as a factor, as well. The lack of continuity.

Then he said last year was of course impacted by injuries, but the Saints still had many games that were decided by one or two points and that the team was better than their record showed.

He also said that while the loss of Fairley was a blow, there were young DT's that he felt should be able to step up.

halloween 65 06-28-2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753758)
I listened to an interview Mike Triplett yesterday on NFL Radio. I feel he is far and away the most knowledgeable writer when it come to the Saints. When asked about the 7-9 seasons he said that while the records were the same the way they were arrived at were completely different. He said the first year the Saints just couldn't hold on. He said they were in every game but couldn't hold on. That was all on the performance of the defense. I put that on Ryan's scheme.

He said the next year was all about a rebuild. A turnover from veteran players to youth. At this point he mentioned having five different DC's as a factor, as well. The lack of continuity.

Then he said last year was of course impacted by injuries, but the Saints still had many games that were decided by one or two points and that the team was better than their record showed.

He also said that while the loss of Fairley was a blow, there were young DT's that he felt should be able to step up.

Under Ryan we were 13-3 then 7-9, under Allens 1 1/2 year reign 7-9 even though he was a dc whatever you want to call that exaggerated title they give him before Ryan got fired and Payton decided to run a 4-3 (again), then set Allen up with players for the D. When was the last time Payton has bent over backwards for any DC under his tender to go this far as drafting this many players for the D (top picks) and getting in FA that could fit the bill? He's bending over backwards for Allen. Allens D's better produce good this season, if he don't he should endure the same fate as multiple DC's have faced. Without a D we're 7-9 to 9-7 if lucky, with a good D we're contenders. Now we get to sit back and watch?

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 753771)
Under Ryan we were 13-3 then 7-9, under Allens 1 1/2 year reign 7-9 even though he was a dc whatever you want to call that exaggerated title they give him before Ryan got fired and Payton decided to run a 4-3 (again), then set Allen up with players for the D. When was the last time Payton has bent over backwards for any DC under his tender to go this far as drafting this many players for the D (top picks) and getting in FA that could fit the bill? He's bending over backwards for Allen. Allens D's better produce good this season, if he don't he should endure the same fate as multiple DC's have faced. Without a D we're 7-9 to 9-7 if lucky, with a good D we're contenders. Now we get to sit back and watch?

In Ryan's first year he ran a simplistic version of his full defensive scheme. In his second year he fully implemented it. The players were always a step behind because they had to read before reacting. The exact same thing happened when he was in Dallas. His first season the defense was very solid in his simplified defense. The following year he ran with the full scheme and it was a disaster and he was fired.

You can definitely put the failures in 2014 and 20156 on the DC, Ryan. After Ryan was fired the defense under Dennis Allen showed improvement down the stretch because he trashed Ryan's scheme. In 2016 injuries decimated the secondary and the LB corps was terrible. I put that on Vitt more than Allen.

And, yes, I can't wait to sit back and watch.

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