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so---how bout a discussion:
who is a better quarterback: let's put together brackets and see what we can see..lemme try to get this started: steve mcnair versus Warren Moon Aaron brooks versus archie manning troy aikman versus roger staubach joe montana versus steve young brett farve versus micheal vick the goal is to make a bracket-then we'll debate each grouping and try to figure out who comes out on top. basically taking each teams top two QBs and comparing them. seem fair/fun? help me out here. [Edited on 30/3/2005 by baronm] [Edited on 30/3/2005 by baronm] |
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1. Moon- overall historically he\'s underrated, and man wasn\'t the run and shoot fun to watch.
2. Manning- guts alone 3. Troy Aikman- all the right tools 4. Montana- best of all time 5. Farve- Vick is a glorified running back, but possesses all the tools |
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let\'s get the brackets first.
but I agree about moon-very underrated player. |
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I\'m certain of one thing: Michael Vick only compares to one quaterback on your list- Aaron Brooks. A few months ago Sporting News magazine had a list of overrated players in todays NFL with the most overrated player being Brian Urlacher. Yes Vick is a great running back but with all the crazy hype around him he is the most overrated player in the NFL in my opinion. He is not even close to Brett Favre.
McNair and Moon- Moon. In no relation to the comparison of qb\'s I just want to say that Moon had the prettiest spiral. He attributed that to growing the nail on his index finger on his throwing arm a little long thus creating a greater spin. Brooks and Manning- Manning. You give Manning this team and the Saints are in the playoffs every year. A talented qb with brains? Definately Manning. Aikman and Staubach- Staubach. This is the toughest comparison yet. Aikman was extremely accurate but moved slower than molasses going uphill. Staubach had more tools and a lesser line. Montana and Young- Montana. It\'s unfair to take one of the best quarterbacks (if not the best quarterback) and compare him a very good quarterback. I have no problem putting Young in the top ten qb\'s of all time but I could make a strong case for Montana as the best of all time. |
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<u>Moon</u>
------------<u>Moon</u>------------| <u>McNair</u> | ------------------------------------<u>Moon</u>------| <u>Manning</u> | ------------<u>Manning</u>---------| <u>Brooks</u> --------------------------------------------------<u>MONTANA</u> <u>Aikman</u> ------------<u>Staubach</u>-----------| <u>Staubach</u> | ------------------------------------<u>Montana</u>---| <u>Montana</u> | ------------<u>Montana</u>---------| <u>Young</u> [Edited on 30/3/2005 by dberce1] |
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ok then-nevermind-i\'ll do mine:
1. Moon...very underrated, played in the cfl..what would have happened if? 2. manning-I think brooks is a better athlete..but athletes are only phenoms in college..it takes brains in the pro. 3. I\'m going with staubach-aikman had a gun..but his team made him better. 4. Joe cool..this mug was unflappable...and to top it off look what he did with a BAAAD kansas city team. |
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allrighty baron, thur ya go. kinda sloppy, but i don\'t remember my html too well
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thanks--anybody got any more suggestions for comparison?
Moon versus manning-interesting matchup.... both smart, both talented, neither could get to the big game...interesting. |
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I am going to buck the trend and say McNair -- guy has a lot of guts -- is a smart qb and has a good arm
Manning over Brooks for sure -- physically he doesn\'t compare to Brooks -- but mentally -- leadership and pure playmaking ability Manning wins hands down Staubach for sure -- guy was a winner Montana -- only because the guy knew how to win under pressure -- Young definitely had a better arm |
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interesting thought on Mcnair..but here\'s the question-is his durability concerns the reason that most people would veiw him as a lesser quarterback--or since moon was a classic fall back passer--does that help moon?
I think that is a question that is being asked in a lot of nfl board rooms--fall back passer/leader versus athletic mobile quarterback with less feel for the game.... |
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I\'m gonna wade in.
Moon - I agree, underrate historically. Archie - c\'mon, that\'s not even a question. :) Aikman - would have gone down as an all-time great without the injuries. Favre - Vick has a lot to prove, and Favre is magic. The hardest one, to me, is Young v. Montana. The easy choice is Montana, but when I think about it, I\'ve got to say Steve Young is the better QB. Until Peyton broke the record last season, Young held the all-time single-year efficiency rating record. Young had better physical tools than Montana and was/is smarter. Montana was made a hero b/c of \"the catch\" and b/c he was in the right place at the right time for the Bill Walsh West Coast Offense. Don\'t get me wrong, Montana is an all-time great. But if I had to build a team from scratch right now and I had to choose between Young and Montana both in their prime, I\'d take Young. :o Montana: 16 yrs, 40,551 yards, 7.52 YPA, 63.24% Comp. %, 273 TD:139 INT, 92.3 QB Rating Young: 15 yrs, 33,124 Yards, 7.98 YPA, 64.3% Comp. %, 232 TD:107 INT, 96.8 QB Rating Also, in his prime, Young was unstoppable, and consistent. From 1987 - 1998, Young had only ONE year with a QB rating under 90. His numbers were 120.8, 72.2 (he started only 3 games that year), 120.8, 92.6, 101.8, 107, 101.5, 112.8, 92.3, 97.2, 104.7, 101.1. Montana, on the other hand, seemed to teeter back and forth between greatness and AB type numbers. From 1982-1993 Montana went up, down, up, down, like so: 88, 94.6, 102.9, 91.3, 80.7, 102.1, 87.9, 112.4, 89, injured-no stats, 118.4, 87.4. |
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group 1
steve mcnair versus Warren Moon Aaron brooks versus archie manning troy aikman versus roger staubach joe montana versus steve young terry bradshaw versus micheal vick group 2: Tarkington versus Culpepper farve versus bart starr bledsoe versus jim kelly Johnny unitus versus Peyton Manning Joe Theismann versus Mark Rypien group three: bernie kosar verus boomer essiasen John Elway versus dan marino Brady versus steve grogan joe namath vesus randall cunningham [Edited on 30/3/2005 by baronm] |
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Culpepper ===favre, kelly and peyton Culpepper is still growing -- has an awesome arm and is farily start -- bart starr was a brilliant tactician but I believe he benefited from the system -- rarely had to carry a team on his back -- kelly for sure -- and peyton === |
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Culpepper will be better when it is all said and done, but he\'s not yet.
Favre Kelly - c\'mon. Push. I can\'t call that one. |
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MONTANA IS THE WINNER
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i guess I was hoping to get the brackets done then talk..but it\'s been interesting so far.
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Group 1 McNair vs Moon...Moon, no contest Brooks vs Manning...Manning Aikman vs Staubach....Roger Dodger, close Montana vs Young....gotta go with Montana Bradshaw vs Vick...Terry, 4 rings Group 2 Tarkenton vs Culpepper...Tarkenton, as of now Favre vs Starr...my heart says Favre, my brain says Starr Bledsoe vs Kelly...Kelly, no brainer, IMO Unitus vs Peyton...tie Theisman vs Rypien...Gotta go with Joe Group 3 Kosar vs Esiason...Boomer Elway vs Marino...Elway, one of my all-time favorites Brady vs Who...j/k...Brady, of course Namath vs Randall....give me a break, Joe Willie (Broadway Joe, if you prefer) |
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Come on Boys ......
Fouts vs. Brees All Time Ball buster - Stabler vs. Plunkett Bartkowski vs . Vick [Edited on 31/3/2005 by saintz08] |
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Fouts, a push, and Vick? |
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had to give it a stab with my own sweet 16...
GRAHAM FARVE-------GRAHAM-- ------------------------------GRAHAM STARR YOUNG------YOUNG---- ---------------------------------------------UNITAS MARINO AIKMAN-----MARINO ------------------------------UNITAS NAMATH UNITAS-----UNITAS ------------------------------------------------------------------UNITAS ELWAY TARKENTON-ELWAY ------------------------------ELWAY STAUBACH BRADSHAW--STAUBACH ---------------------------------------------ELWAY GRIESE MONTANA----MONTANA ------------------------------MONTANA KELLY FOUTS--------KELLY------- |
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A SAINTS QUICKIE
D. WILSON MANNING-------MANNING -------------------------------------MANNING STABLER--------EVERETT EVERETT -----------------------------------------------------MANNING WALSH BROOKS--------BROOKS --------------------------------------HEBERT KILMER----------HEBERT HEBERT |
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Bartkowski was one of those QB\'s against the Saints I have always hated . He was like Young against the Saints , they got a rythmn going and it was all over . |
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